My Puzzles Rating Dropped

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bro 600, I went from 3400 to 1600

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el-Piedro wrote:
Semperidem napisał:

I have been playing puzzles more sporadically lately, when I checked my rating I'd lost over 600 back in October, super weird.

They always told you that is for you.. and it's better. They need defend this. But the truth is, that you didn't know, because nobody take care about the users before change the method. Nobody even imagine that maybe good idea is inform the users before. That's the only problem. Months passes, but every day someone ask what's happened? No matter how they try to defend this.. it's no make sense, because they don't think about users and they not admit that was a something to improve. They have so many months to change this. So easy to send message for the users, but big company take money and don't care about users. That's the only reason why you need to be surprised

They announced it in various places on and off Chess.com several months before the re-rating took place.

This was posted by Support in July:

Another was the State of Chess broadcast in September 7th: (at about the 52 minute mark):

I think it you listen to the presentation by Michael Greene, you will understand why the changes needed to be made and how they make sense going forward.

He explained how the rating changes in the last several months before the re-rating were really distorted and how some people ran up their ratings to take advantage of the situation. (For example by playing only easy puzzles and getting a minimum of 5 points on each.) But now everyone is on the same page and I am sorry if you feel like the runup of your rating in the last several months represented something good.

Most people seem to have adjusted to it at this point.

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So where was the problem to send the message with the link to every user? Because you need to answer for them almost every day from many months. If you had the materials, why you don't send them to the people? For me it's really stupid: You spend time for preparing this, and not take care that everybody can see this :/ How many users looking for the forums, chats or video? But every of them have the mailbox in this site. It's so easy to reach for everyone. It can be a calm process with information to everyone. I can't belive that you don't think about. For future: You need to have people who think about the cosequences and think about the people, before the problems

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The puzzle rating dropping is a good thing, it was so inflated. It still is even now

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Almost 3 weeks of silence but here we go again

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I still do not understand anything about the "improvement".

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Rook1900 napisał:

I still do not understand anything about the "improvement".

You don't understand because they don't told about before. Main advantage is that rating in puzzle is more close to your real skills.. they wanna do better, but tehy forgot about users and told them what is about. Imagine that someone trying sell you the better tv, car, computer.. but don't tell why it's better happy.png Stupid? Of course.. But that's exactly was the same how chess.com change the rating happy.png

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el-Piedro wrote:

Imagine that someone trying sell you the better tv, car, computer.. but don't tell why it's better. Stupid? Of course.. But that's exactly was the same how chess.com change the rating

Not quite. In this case, you've already bought the car. And the Manufacturer has recalled the car because of bad brakes. They replaced the defective brakes and now you can trust you'll stop in time.

Did they tell you beforehand? Not really. And I agree they need to make changes more visible to Users. But they're providing an incredible product and taking responsibility for ratings being off and they fixed it. They could have ignored it and we'all never know the difference.

Good on Chess.com for being accountable and making puzzles more accurate to our rating. I DESPISE the new rating since now it is almost impossible for me to progress but that's STILL a huge improvement to the Puzzle ratings so I support the decision.

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ranyred wrote:

It says -800 for me

Well now THIS is bizarre. It's like saying a person is negative born. But I guess if you miss every question and, even on Standard, each miss can cost you -12 points, I guess it is feasible.

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Dear ChessDotCom ... I don't care WHERE you post announcements, people aren't going to see a post. There should be a link on every page, like a bullhorn which lights up when someone hasn't clicked it to view a new announcement.

Or an opening popup window which says, "See new info now" that Users must dismiss. Users come on forum, go directly to post they want and then leave. Important things such as this should be in their faces. They can dismiss but it'll record they dismissed and support staff can say, "Mr. blabla, you read the notice on (day/time).

Anyway, I can get off in the weeds so I'll shut up now. :-)

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

The puzzle rating dropping is a good thing, it was so inflated. It still is even now

Still is now? In what way, please? So I'm at puzzles 1,511 now and that is NOWHERE near my true rating ... I'm far higher. jk. I'm far lower since my Daily is 980 and my Rapid 600. Is this what you mean? That puzzle rating should match game rating?

I respect your opinion and that's why I'm asking for clarity. :-)

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isolani-d4 a écrit :

Dear ChessDotCom ... I don't care WHERE you post announcements, people aren't going to see a post. There should be a link on every page, like a bullhorn which lights up when someone hasn't clicked it to view a new announcement.

Or an opening popup window which says, "See new info now" that Users must dismiss. Users come on forum, go directly to post they want and then leave. Important things such as this should be in their faces. They can dismiss but it'll record they dismissed and support staff can say, "Mr. blabla, you read the notice on (day/time).

Anyway, I can get off in the weeds so I'll shut up now. :-)

I very much agree. The day the ratings changed, half of the forums were just about that because people didn't understand what happened. I guess it can appear in your notification in the bell icon. It would work for me at least because I look at my notifs instantly, but maybe some people don't generally look at them.

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isolani-d4 wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

The puzzle rating dropping is a good thing, it was so inflated. It still is even now

Still is now? In what way, please? So I'm at puzzles 1,511 now and that is NOWHERE near my true rating ... I'm far higher. jk. I'm far lower since my Daily is 980 and my Rapid 600. Is this what you mean? That puzzle rating should match game rating?

I respect your opinion and that's why I'm asking for clarity. :-)

Just as in all online ratings are inflated lol

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isolani-d4 a écrit :
chesssblackbelt wrote:

The puzzle rating dropping is a good thing, it was so inflated. It still is even now

Still is now? In what way, please? So I'm at puzzles 1,511 now and that is NOWHERE near my true rating ... I'm far higher. jk. I'm far lower since my Daily is 980 and my Rapid 600. Is this what you mean? That puzzle rating should match game rating?

I respect your opinion and that's why I'm asking for clarity. :-)

The puzzle rating does not HAVE to match the game rating, but it would be more logical for sure. And yeah, the puzzle rating is almost always higher than the actual game rating, never heard of someone who has a lower puzzle rating

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It's intended that member's puzzle rating will be higher than most of their game ratings, just not as inflated as it used to be.

The idea is that if someone was watching you play games and told you every time there.was a tactic available, it's expected that the player would play at a rating higher than they would otherwise play at.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

It's intended that member's puzzle rating will be higher than most of their game ratings, just not as inflated as it used to be.

The idea is that if someone was watching you play games and told you every time there.was a tactic available, it's expected that the player would play at a rating higher than they would otherwise play at.

Is that similarly why Daily Game is higher rated? Because people can research concepts and take their time in answering so their rating should be higher in general than time-rated games.

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Daily rating will usually be higher than blitz or rapid due to not only have a great deal of time to analyze a move, but also the ability to access material, within the framework of Daily rules, to assist the player. Plus, there's always the bonobos and lemurs...

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isolani-d4 wrote:

Is that similarly why Daily Game is higher rated? Because people can research concepts and take their time in answering so their rating should be higher in general than time-rated games.



That could be part of it. When I was playing Daily a lot, around 100 of the rating came from the timeouts, and maybe another 100 was from players treating their games as Live games.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
That could be part of it. When I was playing Daily a lot, around 100 of the rating came from the timeouts, and maybe another 100 was from players treating their games as Live games.

"from players treating their games as Live games." ... is this is a bad thing? My sister and I play (sometimes) up to 4 games a day using Daily-3day because 1) erratic schedules, 2) family/work dynamics, 3) great additional tools for learning, 4) no dropped games if connection issues ... and more.

Please, Martin, if this is frowned upon by the site, we'll adjust. Thank you!

EDITED: sorry I messed upon the quote section.

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isolani-d4 wrote:
That

"from players treating their games as Live games." ... is this is a bad thing? My sister and I play (sometimes) up to 4 games a day using Daily-3day because 1) erratic schedules, 2) family/work dynamics, 3) great additional tools for learning, 4) no dropped games if connection issues ... and more.

Please, Martin, if this is frowned upon by the site, we'll adjust. Thank you!

EDITED: sorry I messed upon the quote section.


No, there's nothing wrong with playing Daily however you want. However, players taking their time, analyzing positions for a longer time, and using the legal resources, can outperform someone moving quickly. Of course, there are exceptions.

I've won a couple games against an FM in Daily, where they were playing quickly, and may have not been paying full attention to the game 🙂