Nakamura, The Future World CHamp??

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YoungChessGenius wrote:

Is that same Nakamura who gets spanked by Gelfand, Kramnik and the other great champs?

You may accuse him of being spanked by Gelfand but hardly by Kramnik. Nakamura has 5-3 against Kramnik in classical chess, and 9-4 including rapid/blitz over the last years.

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Borislov Ivanov will be next world champ!!!

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Jion_Wansu wrote:

Borislov Ivanov will be next world champ!!!

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Hence the big conspiracy to discredit him.

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fabelhaft wrote:
YoungChessGenius wrote:

Is that same Nakamura who gets spanked by Gelfand, Kramnik and the other great champs?

You may accuse him of being spanked by Gelfand but hardly by Kramnik. Nakamura has 5-3 against Kramnik in classical chess, and 9-4 including rapid/blitz over the last years.

Its funny when people who don't even know what theyre talking about try to give their opinions. Nakamura owns just about everyone whos not Carlsen or Svidler.

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Phelon wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
YoungChessGenius wrote:

Is that same Nakamura who gets spanked by Gelfand, Kramnik and the other great champs?

You may accuse him of being spanked by Gelfand but hardly by Kramnik. Nakamura has 5-3 against Kramnik in classical chess, and 9-4 including rapid/blitz over the last years.

Its funny when people who don't even know what theyre talking about try to give their opinions. Nakamura owns just about everyone whos not Carlsen or Svidler.

Or Aronian or Gelfand.

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Moses2792796 wrote:

The question you have to ask when determining whether or not a player can become WC is "can they defeat Carlsen in a match".  Right now there in nobody who fulfills that criteria and it appears there will not be any time soon.  Carlsen will be the kind of player to dominate his era much like Kasparov in my opinon.

 

I think the bigger hurdle is the candidates tournament.  Even Carlsen was lucky to make it through on tiebreaks.  

 

If you take any player in the candidates tournament and you assume they will play according to their rating I would guess you will find they have a better chance to beat Carlsen in a match than they do of winning the tournament.   This is probably more the case  for the higher rated players.  I am not so sure of the lower rated players.

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I love the tournament version of the Candidates. Atleast it avoids freaking blitz chess in a classical chess competition.

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niceforkinmove wrote:
Moses2792796 wrote:

The question you have to ask when determining whether or not a player can become WC is "can they defeat Carlsen in a match".  Right now there in nobody who fulfills that criteria and it appears there will not be any time soon.  Carlsen will be the kind of player to dominate his era much like Kasparov in my opinon.

 

I think the bigger hurdle is the candidates tournament.  Even Carlsen was lucky to make it through on tiebreaks.  

 

If you take any player in the candidates tournament and you assume they will play according to their rating I would guess you will find they have a better chance to beat Carlsen in a match than they do of winning the tournament.   This is probably more the case  for the higher rated players.  I am not so sure of the lower rated players.

You have to win the candidates, then win a match against Carlsen (and even, first you have to qualify for candidates). That's why I find this discussion a bit nutty at this moment

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Phelon wrote:

I love the tournament version of the Candidates. Atleast it avoids freaking blitz chess in a classical chess competition.

I agree that the whole blitz chess to decide the candidate was horrible and the current double round robin tournament is better than that.    But it doesn't come close to a candidates cycle with 12+ game matches.  

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Moses2792796 wrote:
niceforkinmove wrote:

I think the bigger hurdle is the candidates tournament.  Even Carlsen was lucky to make it through on tiebreaks.  

I suppose you could say this but in my opinion most of the good players have a chance of winning the candidates, whereas, at the moment, I don't think any of them have a chance of beating Carlsen in a match.

 

Well that is the problem with having a single tournament to decide the challenger.  The player with the best chances of winning a match will be very unlikely to even have a chance. 

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Nakamura is automatically in the Candidate's tournament because he's  technically #2 in the world and Aronian is #1 because  Carlsen is already the champ:

 

 1  Carlsen, Magnus  g  NOR  2872  0  1990
 2  Aronian, Levon  g  ARM  2812  8  1982
 3  Nakamura, Hikaru  g  USA  2789  7  1987
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yeah, but not sorry

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pdela wrote:
niceforkinmove wrote:
Moses2792796 wrote:

The question you have to ask when determining whether or not a player can become WC is "can they defeat Carlsen in a match".  Right now there in nobody who fulfills that criteria and it appears there will not be any time soon.  Carlsen will be the kind of player to dominate his era much like Kasparov in my opinon.

 

I think the bigger hurdle is the candidates tournament.  Even Carlsen was lucky to make it through on tiebreaks.  

 

If you take any player in the candidates tournament and you assume they will play according to their rating I would guess you will find they have a better chance to beat Carlsen in a match than they do of winning the tournament.   This is probably more the case  for the higher rated players.  I am not so sure of the lower rated players.

You have to win the candidates, then win a match against Carlsen (and even, first you have to qualify for candidates). That's why I find this discussion a bit nutty at this moment

I don't think there's anything nutty in asking if #3 can become World Champion in the future, the question is rather how near that future is supposed to be. Beating Carlsen to win the title is not needed, one can just as well imagine Caruana beating him in 2016 and then Nakamura beating Caruana in 2018, or just add a couple of years to these occasions. Considering the acceleration of the World Championship cycles and the shortening of the matches there could be many World Champions the upcoming decade if just Carlsen loses interest or the title.

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The importance of Nakamura's current stats against Carlsen should probably not be exaggerated, by the way. Even if the career score is 7-0 and Carlsen is the better player of the two, things have evened out a bit in their encounters recently. In the last ten games it's +2 -0 =8 and considerably more even than Carlsen's stats against Anand over the last years. My guess is that Carlsen won't stay undefeated also in his next ten games against Nakamura.

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He has the legs, but does he have the heart,...

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"You say many Champs in the next ten years?"

If Carlsen isn't the Champion I think any top player could win the title and lose it as quickly. When Lasker held on to the title for 27 years he could go more then ten years without defending, and like Alekhine pick opponents he preferred. It's different today, and FIDE had many World Champions and World Championships lately. Karpov, Khalifman, Ponomariov, Kasimdzhanov, Topalov, Anand and Kramnik were all FIDE World Champions during a period of eight years. There have been World Champinships in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013 and another is coming up in 2014. If Carlsen loses interest anything can happen since the difference between him and #2 is bigger than the difference between #2 and the following dozen.

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aerodarts wrote:

Is Nakamura playing in this tournament? If no, why?

 

The World Chess Federation (FIDE) has announced that the deadline for player's participation in the Candidates’ Tournament is 20 January 2014. If anyone decines to participate, first reserve is Fabiano Caruana of Italy who came third in the 2012-2013 Grand Prix Series.



He is not playing because he didn´t qualify.

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MIshraSanjeev17 wrote:

IS it Possible in near future??

Almost everything is possible, but I don´t think that the probabilities are too high.

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No Magnus is the King