Need help beating the 3200 bot. Any advice?

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davidkimchi

I have tried so many times, but its so hard to beat. I am lasting longer and longer though, my first game lasted 9, second lasted 15 moves and now i can last much longer but the bot always finds a way to checkmate me.

I would be happy for even a draw. IS it possible? What if i play another 1000 times

Theres also no time limit

tygxc

@1
"Theres also no time limit"
++ Then think longer.

neatgreatfire

you can't beat it.

davidkimchi
neatgreatfire wrote:

you can't beat it.

can a grandmaster beat it

CraigIreland

If you play against it 1 billion times at your current rating you might win approximately once, but if you played against it 1 billion times you wouldn't be at your current rating. So I guess the advice is "git gud".

As a difficult but more realistic challenge, you could expect to beat an 800 rated bot 1 in 10 times.

neatgreatfire
davidkimchi wrote:
neatgreatfire wrote:

you can't beat it.

can a grandmaster beat it

i doubt it 

EuroSchaker

You just cant beat it.. I am at 1900 rapid and even I stand no chance.

CraigIreland

Carlsen might expect to beat it about 1 in 100 times and draw against it 1 in 5 times.

KevinOSh

Break past 500 rapid first, then get your puzzles rating up to 4000+

davidkimchi
CraigIreland wrote:

If you play against it 1 billion times at your current rating you might win approximately once, but if you played against it 1 billion times you wouldn't be at your current rating. So I guess the advice is "git gud".

As a difficult but more realistic challenge, you could expect to beat an 800 rated bot 1 in 10 times.

1 in a billion sounds insane.

As for the bots, i can beat the 1100 times at least 1 in 2 times, its the nelson bot 1300 that i cant beat (yet)

KevinOSh
davidkimchi wrote:
CraigIreland wrote:

If you play against it 1 billion times at your current rating you might win approximately once, but if you played against it 1 billion times you wouldn't be at your current rating. So I guess the advice is "git gud".

As a difficult but more realistic challenge, you could expect to beat an 800 rated bot 1 in 10 times.

1 in a billion sounds insane.

As for the bots, i can beat the 1100 times at least 1 in 2 times, its the nelson bot 1300 that i cant beat (yet)

maxkho2
davidkimchi wrote:
neatgreatfire wrote:

you can't beat it.

can a grandmaster beat it

No

AceFrawley

Sounds like the proverbial "to bang your head against a brick wall" type of scenario.

Beach_lad

These super engines are like super cars,can you defeat a car in a race??maybe in bullet or in ultra bullet you can flag i have seen the video where andrew tang flagged stockfish but in classical format its close to impossible i guess 

maxkho2
Thalapathy_64 wrote:

These super engines are like super cars,can you defeat a car in a race??maybe in bullet or in ultra bullet you can flag i have seen the video where andrew tang flagged stockfish but in classical format its close to impossible i guess 

Btw the video you saw of Andrew checkmating Leela in ultra was back when Leela was in its infancy. Nowadays, even in ultra, winning against the top engines is completely impossible - in fact, probably even more impossible than in other time controls.

Beach_lad
maxkho2 wrote:
Thalapathy_64 wrote:

These super engines are like super cars,can you defeat a car in a race??maybe in bullet or in ultra bullet you can flag i have seen the video where andrew tang flagged stockfish but in classical format its close to impossible i guess 

Btw the video you saw of Andrew checkmating Leela in ultra was back when Leela was in its infancy. Nowadays, even in ultra, winning against the top engines is completely impossible - in fact, probably even more impossible than in other time controls.

Good point but in video andrew played all stockfish levels available on lichess this highest level 8 of stockfish got checkmated here is the video i was talking about this one.

davidkimchi
Thalapathy_64 wrote:
maxkho2 wrote:
Thalapathy_64 wrote:

These super engines are like super cars,can you defeat a car in a race??maybe in bullet or in ultra bullet you can flag i have seen the video where andrew tang flagged stockfish but in classical format its close to impossible i guess 

Btw the video you saw of Andrew checkmating Leela in ultra was back when Leela was in its infancy. Nowadays, even in ultra, winning against the top engines is completely impossible - in fact, probably even more impossible than in other time controls.

Good point but in video andrew played all stockfish levels available on lichess this highest level 8 of stockfish got checkmated here is the video i was talking about this one.

thats insane!

im wondering, does he memorize all the moves to make, or stockfish moves? or does he quickly calculate it within 15 seconds.. super impressive

RemovedUsername333

There is no good way to put this, but the bots on Chess.com cheat. Plain and simple. They have some kind of algorithm that gives them an advantage, and it's not fair. I've been playing on the site for years, and I've never once seen a bot lose. It's always the same story: I make a move, and then the bot immediately moves to counter it. Sometimes it's a move that I hadn't even considered, and that's just not right.  I'm not the only one who's noticed, either. I've talked to other players, and they all say the same thing. The bots are just too good. They always know what to do, and they never make a mistake. It's not fair to the rest of us. We're just trying to play a game and have some fun, but the bots are ruining it.  I'm not sure what Chess.com is doing, but something needs to change. The bots need to be taken down a notch, or at the very least, their algorithm needs to be made public. Otherwise, the game just isn't fair.

neatgreatfire
RemovedUsername333 wrote:

There is no good way to put this, but the bots on Chess.com cheat. Plain and simple. They have some kind of algorithm that gives them an advantage, and it's not fair. I've been playing on the site for years, and I've never once seen a bot lose. It's always the same story: I make a move, and then the bot immediately moves to counter it. Sometimes it's a move that I hadn't even considered, and that's just not right.  I'm not the only one who's noticed, either. I've talked to other players, and they all say the same thing. The bots are just too good. They always know what to do, and they never make a mistake. It's not fair to the rest of us. We're just trying to play a game and have some fun, but the bots are ruining it.  I'm not sure what Chess.com is doing, but something needs to change. The bots need to be taken down a notch, or at the very least, their algorithm needs to be made public. Otherwise, the game just isn't fair.

I know, crazy right!

Sack_o_Potatoes

I beat it on lichess 3 check once (not kidding check my profile for the game)