Nepo - it's just embarrassing for the game now. - Chess Forums - Page 18

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#341

lfPatriotGames wrote:

llama47 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".

Really? Prove it.

Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.

In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"

Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.

So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.

Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?

So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.

You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#342

BoardOfWar2022 wrote:

The guy got bored with the match. Certainly understandable. So many of you seem to think that the #1 hurdle to Chess improvement is it's difficulty. It's not: It's the motivation to play and improve. It takes a very strange and unique type of person to have such an insatiable desire to play chess that they would consistently get better.

This is a topic about the world chess championship match.

If all it took was passion, then we'd have millions of world champions.

Passion is a reliable way to improve past beginner level... that's all

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Dec 11, 2021

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#343

he pulled out all his teeth & claws...extracted w/out novacaine

sholom90

Dec 11, 2021

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#344

themaskedbishop wrote:

>Stomping on a man who just had his lifelong dream crushed<

Nobody "stomped" on anyone.

... If pro golfer Nepo was slamming balls into the stands, he would be hugely criticized for it. If pro tennis player Nepo was whapping his serves onto the back fence, he would be roundly thrashed.

There's a difference between "he played terribly in this match" vs "he's a terrible player".

The former is obvious, and nobody disagrees. A number of folks seems to be also saying the latter.

sholom90

Dec 11, 2021

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#345

llama47 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".

Really? Prove it.

Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.

In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"

Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.

So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession...

C'mon, let's be fair. When someone says "he plays like a child", he surely is not implying that "his play is not up to the level of some of the most exceptional teenagers on the planet".

Further, making a blunder that's below GM level doesn't mean that he generally plays at below GM level. Those first six games were exceptional. As was his play at the Candidates. Other world champions have made blunders like that -- in WC matches -- but folks don't say they played like a child.

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#346

sholom90 wrote:

llama47 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".

Really? Prove it.

Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.

In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"

Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.

So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession...

C'mon, let's be fair. When someone says "he plays like a child", he surely is not implying that "his play is not up to the level of some of the most exceptional teenagers on the planet".

Further, making a blunder that's below GM level doesn't mean that he generally plays at below GM level. Those first six games were exceptional. As was his play at the Candidates. Other world champions have made blunders like that -- in WC matches -- but folks don't say they played like a child.

If it were just one blunder in one game I'd agree.

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#347

edot123 wrote:

hey, don't insult him. he's a better player than all of u

If I'm bad at chess does it makes his blunders less stupid?

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#348

BoardOfWar2022 wrote:

This term "blunder" has to go in chess. It implies that a player did something bad. Since the results of the game mean nothing anyway, and it's just a board game for fun, nothing is a "blunder". It's all just whatever.

Sure, in the Tibetan philosophy, Sylvia Plath sense we all dying, but you're not dying like Chloe is dying.

llama47

Dec 11, 2021

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#349

BoardOfWar2022 wrote:

llama47 wrote:

BoardOfWar2022 wrote:

This term "blunder" has to go in chess. It implies that a player did something bad. Since the results of the game mean nothing anyway, and it's just a board game for fun, nothing is a "blunder". It's all just whatever.

Sure, in the Tibetan philosophy, Sylvia Plath sense we all dying, but you're not dying like Chloe is dying.

You're dying just like Chloe if you're actually trying in chess.

lol

OrphanGenerator

Dec 11, 2021

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#350

themaskedbishop wrote:

There is no consolation in seeing "hey, they are just like us." I don't watch world championship chess to see patzer play. I don't want to see it in football or baseball either. This is our premiere event and we wait years for it - it's not supposed to end in joke games. And it's not just this game, or last games b5. Last games's Kf8 was pretty terrible too. Maybe we need a better system to produce contenders.

There's no consolation in saying "There is no consolation in seeing "hey, they are just like us." I don't watch world championship chess to see patzer play. I don't want to see it in football or baseball either. This is our premiere event and we wait years for it - it's not supposed to end in joke games. And it's not just this game, or last games b5. Last games's Kf8 was pretty terrible too. Maybe we need a better system to produce contenders."

korotky_trinity

Dec 11, 2021

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#351

kartikeya_tiwari wrote:

StormCentre3 wrote:

The OP and a few others think this trolling is in some way funny or amusing. It is childish. Understandable that a few misfits will always be around. Always the case. Human nature.

However- it needs saying. The behavior is disrespectful and distasteful. It is contrary to the spirit of chess. The majority of posts have expressed contrary opinions to the low level trolling. Such negative individuals will always remain. Adults that have never grown up or kids that don’t know any better. Chess teaches us to respect our opponents. A simple lesson - unfortunately too hard for a few to understand.

It's not "low level trolling", it is just stating a fact and saying things clearly and bluntly. While the world needs people like you who like to sugar coat everything and throw fake "respect everyone and the game of chess and positive attitude!!" around, the world also needs people who say things as they are and are very blunt about it.

One more thing, we are not picking on a helpless child or a puppy, we are picking on a millionaire who made horrible moves game after game, didn't seem to care at all that he lost given how cheerful he was in the press conference and had the full russian regime behind him to help him win. He ain't no little kid who is getting bullied.

It's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event.

As for all the "YoU guYs aRe pATzerS!!!11" people, even nakamura said that this was the worst world championship event ever and that blunder after blunder was very disappointing.

And what ?

I agree with you. Nepo did silly blunders in that match... but for sure he did them not for purpose.

The Hard game 6 completely broke him down...

It can happen to everyone. And we should not blame him for that.

OrphanGenerator

Dec 11, 2021

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#352

themaskedbishop wrote:

Sorry guys, yes he's human and we all make mistakes blah blah but these blunders at a World Championship event are unforgivable. It's not even dramatic, it's just pathetic. Maybe he can play the Bongcloud opening tomorrow.

Imagine this.

You're playing a chess game against your father at age 3 or something. You've beaten him multiple times in a row, so he takes you to a club. The club evaluates your strangth, and they notice that you've been absolutely demolishing their strongest players (1600 FIDE). Your strength in this game made headlines. It made local news. So because of this, you decided to start taking the game seriously, age 4 or something.

You've now been playing the game for 30 years, and you're finally on the top spot. You're up against the world chess champion, coming for his possibly once proud title. You managed to draw 4 times in a row, then...

Disaster strikes. You've made your first loss. It seems as though thousands of weights were put on your shoulders, almost as if you can feel the sadness of the millions of people watching behind the camera. Your family behind the camera...

Yet still, you pull through. It's only one game, isn't it? I can still prove that I'm the one on top and fulfill my childhood dreams from all those years back. You get another draw.

Next game will be the game I take my revenge, you think. I am the true champion here. But...

It's the 7th game. The the millions watching from home, you can somehow feel all of their eyes on you. Even the pieces on the board seemed to be glaring at you. You can feel them, you can somehow hear their thoughts. Will he make the game? Will he pull through till the rapid tiebreaker? What will he do next?

These thoughts, the thoughts of the masses, seep into your brain. You were porobably the first one to think them, yet they managed to seep deeper...

Then suddenly, a new question arises in your brain.

Why are the commentators acting up?

Looking at the board again, you realize something very sinister about the move you just made. It exchanged off into a terrible position, and now you're in an endgame down a pawn with no compensation. Maybe if you were a 1600, 1700, hell, maybe an 1800 on Lichess right now, you'd have a shot of managing a draw. But instead, you're in the world chess championship and you're the challenger. You are going to lose.

The weighted feeling in your shoulders double in intensity. Everything seems to have a bluish-gray tint to it, as if the sadness in your heart is affecting your other senses as well. Everything you hear seems strangely muffled, and even your scent is a tad worse than ever before. The weights, no matter how you try, cannot be lifted. They're pushing down harder than even you weigh. How do you get up?

You start to feel a light in your soul fade away...

I've been learning how to write for a few months now, how is this writing prompt? Anyway, point is, they really are just human and you're a hypocrite for playing worse than these gentleman at any point of their lives, probably even as babies.

korotky_trinity

Dec 11, 2021

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#353

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

kit440

Dec 11, 2021

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#354

I wholeheartedly agree

OrphanGenerator

Dec 11, 2021

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#355

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

korotky_trinity

Dec 11, 2021

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#356

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?

In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.

OrphanGenerator

Dec 11, 2021

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#357

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?

In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.

every social media is blocked on my platform, save for things that aren't immediately social medias like chess.com

korotky_trinity

Dec 11, 2021

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#358

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?

In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.

every social media is blocked on my platform, save for things that aren't immediately social medias like chess.com

My God ! ))

I forget that you are from North Korea...

They say dictator Putin can do the same bad thing in Russia.

OrphanGenerator

Dec 11, 2021

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#359

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?

In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.

every social media is blocked on my platform, save for things that aren't immediately social medias like chess.com

My God ! ))

I forget that you are from North Korea...

They say Putin can do the same bad thing in Russia.

im in america. im just on a school computer with this thing called goguardian installed, which makes it so the school staff can restrict access to websites n stuff. so basically north korea but that's the extent of what jong-un does. i have the nk flag for aesthetic reasons

korotky_trinity

Dec 11, 2021

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#360

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

OrphanGenerator wrote:

korotky_trinity wrote:

You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )

You should send it to him.

question, how do i?

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?

In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.

every social media is blocked on my platform, save for things that aren't immediately social medias like chess.com

My God ! ))

I forget that you are from North Korea...

They say Putin can do the same bad thing in Russia.

im in america. im just on a school computer with this thing called goguardian installed, which makes it so the school staff can restrict access to websites n stuff. so basically north korea but that's the extent of what jong-un does. i have the nk flag for aesthetic reasons

Ok... but you can try to find Nepo's page in social nets... with help of Smartphone.

Or ask Smartphone from your american friends for some time