Nigel Short vs Bobby Fischer

urk im glad u looked into this when i brought it up.... the games have fischers signatures all over them. just look at his use of the hook and ladder a trick he used in alot of his games!! cmon what generator plays the bongcloud every single time?????????? none of em do..

it was. and the old reb made comments in those threads. one of them was titled "whats your favorite novel" he also criticised aronian in a thread...aronian said women arent good chessplayers in 2009 he ate those words when kosteniuk smoked him..

If it was an engine that was beating Short, these things would have been necessary to pull it off.

First, you would need an engine strong enough to do the job. I don't know if there were any back in 2000 capable of annihilating a GM like Short.

Then presumably the engine operator would himself play ridiculous moves in the opening - a LOT of them - 10 or 15, and yet not let the position slip into a completely lost mess.

Then he would turn on the engine and watch it recover the position, gain the advantage, and ultimately win. Every single time.

Could all this really have been possible?

no... because every chessgame played by an individual has that persons forensic signatures on the board. that engine mustve had all of fischers notes in the encryptions and loaded with complex endgame tablebases aswell. did they have tablebases backthen? another thing fischers signature had was his skill of sacrificing space for counterplay, also seen in these games !

I didn't get anything from "blitz tiger." Don't know what you mean.

Why would you be upset at Fischer beating Short online?
It would be an astounding feat if true, ranking up there with the way he crushed Taimanov and Larsen.

thats something, he would say to get the media off his nuts. you believe a dude from anywhere employs the hook and ladder like that? and has the skill of sacrificing space for counterplay??? some doche from the phillippines, forged fischers playing signature??!! only a beginner would believe that. any advanced player knows you cant forge anyones playing signature. you can play a similar style,but it cannot be replicated ..

Well I found some information that says Chess Tiger and Fritz both would have been strong enough to beat Short at that time, but from THOSE awful positions? It still seems barely possible. But it also seems impossible for even Fischer to have done it.

Alright, I'm willing to concede it was probably an engine user trolling.

Happy now?

2q1c dosent know as much as he thinks, i analysed all of those games , and they all have fischers playing signatures on them. nobodys playing signature can be replicated. every advanced player knows this.... a similar style can be played, but like fingerprints everyone is unique... explain how fischers playing signature was forged ? blitztiger and fritz don't play the bongcloud at every whim of the opening, and none of the others do either. explain how an engine forged fischers playing signature, and opens the bongcloud every single time. how come nobodys heard about the engine thats plays the bongcloud every single time?? cause it dosent exist .!!

Steven Edward's Extended Position Description was only introduced towards the end of the century. So in 2001 there really would not have been a chess engine that you could load a FEN into and then have it play GM standard half way through the game.
Kramnik was about equal to the world's best engine in 2002 but Fritz was playing on an 8-processor computer box. (everybody had USD 100,000.00 worth of hardware back then *not*)

I am certain that Nigel Short was not playing a machine.
Certainly Short and Fischer had a thing about the Najdorf Poisoned Pawn Variation.

Yeah, what strength was Fritz on a home PC in the year 2000??
Could not have been a supercomputer.

 

Take a deep breath and relax. 

If you keep letting your emotions control you, a bad word will come out of your mouth, and mum will confiscate your laptop again. 

opps. you could have run Fritz on a 666mhz computer still expensive $10,000 kit at the time.
However back then part of engine strength was book lines.

Of course, a lot of GM strength is also knowledge of book lines.

how come nobodys heard about an engine thats plays the bongcloud every single time , and forged fischers playing signature?? cause it dosent exist !! playing signature cannot be replicated, if were the fish, then howcome you dont know that?

Hmm I overstated that.
GMs still play great outside of openings.

Probably like playing Chess Titans. I thought this happened in 2001. So it is just possible somebody was jerking around with a beta of [Deep] Fritz (2001) on a serious box prior to playing Kramnik (2002).
The thing about that period of time is Microsoft Windows NT 3.1 was a total flake on multi-processor computers. I know because I had to disable them on a trading system I created at the time.  The company and me had a right fit at Microsoft over it since we had shelled out for boxes that were beyond Windows (3.1). Hence WNT 4.0 which is a pun on VMS that Microsoft blagged as a new kernel.

were the fish, and yet 2q thinks playing signature can be replicated and forged... think he needs his oxymoron prescription refilled .

chesstiger and chessmaster 11 are 2700 rated .

Where is that ?
I am looking at the other way, a home based strong engine would have been big news in 2001 and made [deep] Fritz look silly for the Kramnik games.
Fischer only played 800 competitive games which is the real sadness.