No Take backs?

Did any of those professional racing drivers get a take back on their crash?

Wouldn't have Anand just loved to have a takeback with his ...h5 move today? :).

This is an online board game. It isn't tourney play, it isn't top level.

It would be good for people to have the option to both allow and not allow takw backs. If your so up tight you absolutely can't stand the idea of people doing that, you need a REAL hobby.

There is absolutely nothing profesional going on between chess player below GM level ... especially here

glamdring27 wrote:

Did any of those professional racing drivers get a take back on their crash?

So the comment about professional racing drivers was somewhat irrelevant!

Takebacks would have to be programmed in though like any other feature, resetting clocks to the correct time, accounting for lag and all that.  Hard to imagine there aren't more useful features on the list to be programmed.

If it's programmed for free and is an option like selecting unrated for most of us to ignore then it's no problem at all.  Hard to imagine why anyone on the internet would agree to a takeback game unless against someone they know, but whatever!

I'm going to use examples from masters games on another site that allows them. Nakamura gave kingscrusher two take backs in one game. Chessexplained has given them from time to time. Chessnetwork has done the same.

Here is the thing, to ask for a take back, the person had to have the option (already) allowed. If they don't allow it you can't ask for it. These all were for blunders, not even slips!

How is this even relevant? He pointed out that with good and proper technique you could prevent mouse slips. Professional race car drivers obviously are masters in driving and know way more about driving than the average driver but that doesn't mean they will never be involved in a car crash.

Also you must realize there's been many chess sites/servers before chess.com all designed with take backs. 

Yeah the stronger players seem to not mind take backs at all as long as it's an apparent mistake. Like I said, it plays a part on sportsmanship. Plus there is absolutely no harm done if the request is rejected.

I don't even mind the idea of people just having the option turned off (the don't even recieve a request) but to say peeps who want to allow it shouldn't be allowed because "I don't like them" is childish

Well, like I said, if they can be added in at no cost to any other feature and in a largely invisible manner I have no problem with it.

The point was made above though that many chess sites/servers were designed with take backs.  If a server isn't designed with them I have no idea how easy it is to add in.

Accepting a takeback may well play a part in sportsmanship as would not asking for one in the first place so the sportsmanship argument is moot as one person's idea of sportsmanship doesn't match anothers anyway.

Unrated games are not a big part of chess.com, as I know from having done a live seek for an unrated game once and been told on-screen that I'd find a game a lot faster if I turned off unrated.  That doesn't mean they shouldn't be supported, but chess.com isn't a charity.  Minority-use features aren't going to bring them many paying subscribers.

Yeah, this and many other features have been brought up and never implemented.

My argument is not that chess.com "has" to addtake backs, but that adding them is not a horrific crime against the very nature of the game. Not one person has given a real reason why people that want to allow them should not be allowed to.

I'm not one of these guys that wants to legislate what everyone else can, or can't do.  But I do have my own preferences, of course.  When I'm playing an unrated Over-The-Board game and my opponent takes back a move, I don't always say it, but I think: Well, ANYBODY COULD WIN THAT WAY!!!".  And, I don't ask for take-backs myself.  It's touch-move all the way.  Once my opponent even suggested a better move for me to make but I just resigned instead.  You see, even if I had "won" the game after using the suggested move, it wouldn't be MY victory so what would be the point?

I understand your point of view and respect it. We got a guy at our club that often says if we didn't want to play a move to make another one. Most of never would. I'm just as happy to check it post mortem.

I don't think you and I are really debating anymore lol

Were we ever?

Has any of you figured out that the Takeback feature does exist?

How about now? Realize it yet?

What about now?

LOL

Yes but only for online chess, why not to do the same for live where it's more useful?

Its just as useful. Since both parties should be agreeing to it anyways ya know?

Just because you have 3 days to make a move doesnt mean you can only move once every 3 days. I have finished many a 3 day games in a day or two. If you and someone who is willing ( key word willing) to play a unrated takeback game with you in a speedy timely manner than it shouldnt bother you whether its live or online.

Or is the issue findin someone who is willing to play that kind of game in the 1st place?

If you ask for a takeback, you're pretty much saying to your opponent that you just made a big mistake. In which case, they will probably decline, and look for what you did wrong. It would pretty much be useless. Also, its just another button to spam.

That's the point of a takeback. Other wise you wouldn't ask for it. 

@tactical i hope you know how contradictory you sound.