Okay admit it, Carlsen Caruana is a borefest.

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old-patzer wrote:

I agree, I would like to see more decisive games, but as my name states, these guys play at such a high level (engine help or not) it is mind boggling at how accurately they play over the board. With 2 2830+ players playing (with only 3 rating point dividing them), do you REALLY expect one to overpower the other? Game on, BRING ON THE BLITZ!

or just wait till one of them wins game 12. Caruana is white, so he will take his chances to avoid tiebreaks. There are raised chances that he will overplay Carlsen or will play too aggressively and lose. The last one was more boring because one of the games was practially an aggreed draw on move 1

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old-patzer wrote:

I agree, I would like to see more decisive games, but as my name states, these guys play at such a high level (engine help or not) it is mind boggling at how accurately they play over the board. With 2 2830+ players playing (with only 3 rating point dividing them), do you REALLY expect one to overpower the other? Game on, BRING ON THE BLITZ!

so your saying these guys are better more accurate than Komodo Houdini Stockfish cuz those 3500 engines are indeed losing to each other. go check out TCEC...

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@ tipish, Nope, I'm not saying that at all.

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This thread was started 18 hours ago. 

Ok, so they may have missed game 10 before the thread was started. But there have been many interesting games. 

If these games bore you, the problem is not with the games. 

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I agree it was mainly boring, but a few games did stick out and were entertaining. At this point, I think Caruana fancies his chances in the Rapid, so if it comes down to that, he will take his chances in the Rapid. Blitz he probably has no hope at all, but Rapid, he might still have a little. His rapid rating is higher than Karjakin's.

And to be honest, Caruana impresses me so far, as he looks to be very resilient in defense, and I thought he would fold earlier against the constant grinding from Carlsen, but that has not happened.

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@SmyslovFan - Not bored at all. I am glued to my TV all day!

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tipish έγραψε:

 

old-patzer wrote:

 

I agree, I would like to see more decisive games, but as my name states, these guys play at such a high level (engine help or not) it is mind boggling at how accurately they play over the board. With 2 2830+ players playing (with only 3 rating point dividing them), do you REALLY expect one to overpower the other? Game on, BRING ON THE BLITZ!

 

so your saying these guys are better more accurate than Komodo Houdini Stockfish cuz those 3500 engines are indeed losing to each other. go check out TCEC...

 

 

Nonsense. Fabiano, or any other strong player has nothing useful to learn from those games.

A typical example from TCEC (won't give the engine names to disfame them):

 

 

 

Only a total moron would think about 20.b6??. let alone playing it.

Still, engines think this is OK!

And this is not the only comical move of that game...

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tipish wrote:

old-patzer wrote:

I agree, I would like to see more decisive games, but as my name states, these guys play at such a high level (engine help or not) it is mind boggling at how accurately they play over the board. With 2 2830+ players playing (with only 3 rating point dividing them), do you REALLY expect one to overpower the other? Game on, BRING ON THE BLITZ!

so your saying these guys are better more accurate than Komodo Houdini Stockfish cuz those 3500 engines are indeed losing to each other. go check out TCEC...

I think it's a combination of being strong and equal. They are struggling to convert advantages. I will go look at the TCEC but I suspect the draw rate is high when the ratings are within 50 points of each other.

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I agree , get rid of computers . 

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Guys a lot of you are equating boring with it being draws. No a game can be a draw and still very entertaining.

 

For instance Arsenal Liverpool recently was absolutely sensational stuff and yet it finished in a draw. The problem is these players (and something I complain a lot with modern day players at the top level) they play boring. Never attack (almost never) and it is always safety first and its not fun to watch at all.

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Hard fought draws are chess at its best. I think this may be the best WCC ever!

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It is not possible to get rid of computers. It is also not possible to get rid of Steinitz. Only by not having the knowledge of positional chess that Steinitz developed would Chess be as exciting and popular as it was in the days of Anderssen and Kieseritzky. Not having the ability to train against computers or have them do analysis would be only a minor improvement in comparison, and that too is just as impossible to enforce.

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Some light relief: One of the most famous ever draws (analysis courtesy of Chessmaster GM Edition):

 

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So, how about this: When playing computers, before ANY move is made, they give white a +.3 score. SO if White wins, he gets .7 (he was already .3 ahead). If Black wins, a 1.3 (he had to overcome a .3 deficit). Draws are .2 for white, .8 for black. Discuss ...

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The match between Carlsen- Caruana is not boring even it has has been draw every game. Why? First of all they are number 1 and 2 in the world. It means they are almost similar in both knowledge and in rating, it only difference is 3 rating point, to anyone who really know chess they know that make them equal in strength and they will 95% of the time make a draw. So also in the Championship. To me as a beginner in chess, i learn something every day from the games, and that is to me a good game.

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Some games have been extremely dry ( e.g the Petroff), but some have been pretty interesting. Grischuk falls asleep because he can understand so much more than us mere mortals within seconds, obviously other than games 1 and 10, there haven’t been large amounts of excitement, but there have been some fighting games so far.
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Complaining about a chess match like this being boring is like complaining about math because it uses too many numbers, boxing because there is too much punching, or car racing because they drive too fast.

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MitSud έγραψε:
Some games have been extremely dry ( e.g the Petroff), but some have been pretty interesting. Grischuk falls asleep because he can understand so much more than us mere mortals within seconds, obviously other than games 1 and 10, there haven’t been large amounts of excitement, but there have been some fighting games so far.

 

Sasha is like that because the baby does not leave him sleep well...  tongue.png

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Unclear Pawn sacrifices, novelties, tension, great defenses and brilliant endgames have all featured in this match.

 

if that bores you, perhaps chess isn't the game for you.

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Sasha is like that because the baby does not leave him sleep well...  tongue.png

Absolutely right. It's been years, but I remember the first few months after my son was born, I was always tired! And Grischuk's baby seems to have extremely healthy lungs!