Grischuk says a lot of things, some of them for humor.
Some games were dull, some were not. Every WCC match players (yes, mostly low rated players) whine about the draws, as if they didn't know most games (over 50%) at the top level are drawn anyway.
Grischuk described the most exciting game of the match so far, game 10, as "by far the weakest game" of the match.
The GMs aren't bored by the chess most of the time. They are working hard to figure out what is going on.
Indeed. I'm going to disagree with the OP (what else?) because I used to watch paint dry for a living! I like watching them battle it out because of their divergent personalities: Caruano's a fiery player, straightforward and will break you down square by square. Magnus can bleed the position til he can wring out a win from an innocuous position. Very pumped for this. Yeah, commentary can get abit stale when they realize both are playing it safe until the rapid rounds but til that point, they are the ones biting down to their toenails! That's exciting indeed! As a viewer too, I like it that even the experts don't know what's going on: with the Magnus's time scramble, Caruana's opening prep will be
Frankly this match has been so disappointing that nothing short of a Caruana win could save it. If Carlsen wins then not only was it a very boring match, but the guy who everyone thought would win, won. There is nothing to exciting about that.
If Fabi wins then atleast a new champion was crowned and that in itself is an exciting thing and the match become memorable. Anything else and this would be the worst match in history.
Watching Grischuk's commentary and he said R.I.P classical chess in the context of this match and said that and I quote directly from the video "At the very top level something should be changed. Fasten the time control or switch to Fischer random chess. I think this is a little bit too boring."
Now all those who have been question my skill, go tell Grischuk he doesn't have the "skill" to find this match enjoyable either.
Also Magnus what a stupid timid offer to draw in a position where you are the only one playing for any adv, have tonnes of adv on the clock, I mean this is the kind of stuff I am talking about. These two have delivered the most boring and timid chess ever seen in a chess world championship.
Watching Grischuk's commentary and he said R.I.P classical chess in the context of this match and said that and I quote directly from the video "At the very top level something should be changed. Fasten the time control or switch to Fischer random chess. I think this is a little bit too boring."
Now all those who have been question my skill, go tell Grischuk he doesn't have the "skill" to find this match enjoyable either.
Also Magnus what a stupid timid offer to draw in a position where you are the only one playing for any adv, have tonnes of adv on the clock, I mean this is the kind of stuff I am talking about. These two have delivered the most boring and timid chess ever seen in a chess world championship.
Grischuk has very dry humor. "A lot of truth is said in jest," but by the same token he wasn't completely serious either.
In 1987 Kasparov - Karpov 24 game match ended in a 12 -12 tie. This is nothing new.
Grishchuk said everything in a non joking manner and was not trying to be funny at all. You can't hide behind the "oh he must have said it in jest" forever.
Svidler Giri and Grishcuk had a serious discussion at the end of the draw.
Grishchuk said everything in a non joking manner
This is the definition of dry humor / deadpan / sarcasm.
One reason I love Jan - Svidler pair so much is that Jan does this often.
Grischuk too.
I'm not saying Chess960 is bad. Well, 960 is dumb, but choosing 10 or 20 good positions from chess960 and bringing them in to classical chess tournaments would not be bad IMO.
No none of what Grishcuk said about the match having been very boring was in jest or in the tone or spirit of humor / deadpan / sarcasm.
He said the match was very boring because the match was very boring. You can accept it or keep living in this childish denial, hiding behind the oh they all love the match but are saying it was boring because its a great joke.
That is upto you.
I'm not fully disagreeing with you. Some changes would be fine, and there were some aspects of the match Grischuk (and others) were definitely not impressed with.
But also, confirmation bias on full display here. You think everything Grischuk says fully supports your preconceived notions about the match.
He said the match was boring, in those words, exactly those words. Are you really saying that I am in some weird way really twisting those words beyond proportion to somehow imply that like me, Grishcuk also found the match to be boring?
Also my notion about this match was very much post-conceived. When it started I was super excited, before it turned into this borefest.
That being said there is something to be admired about your steadfast and dogged refusal to accept facts.
Grishcuk is on video saying this match was boring, and your response to that is nah this match was so entertaining, he must have been joking, and that I probably didnt the joke. There is something to be admired about that kind of ostrich-like burial of the head in the sand on your part.
At the press conference, it was suggested more game. Suggestion: ole timey time controls (i.e 40 in 2 hours; next 20 in one hour, etc), flat classical, no increment. If score tied after 12-18 games, champ retains title. Discuss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikiHTNQnh58
Here is the video go take a look. Its at 3:27:22 onwards. You will find exactly what Grishcuk thinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikiHTNQnh58
Here is the video go take a look. Its at 3:27:22 onwards. You will find exactly what Grishcuk thinks.
I didn't hear anything at 3:27:22
But these places are good:
4:18:40
4:25:40
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The main arguments against 960 are very simple. First of all when you remove preparation you remove skill from the game, not add. Secondly some positions favor white, or have obvious routes of development the players must take. Grischuk has talked about this before in the past.
So in the past (and again now) I've proposed a way around that. You take a small number of interesting positions from 960, and force players to play 1 of those at random. That way they can still prepare, but nothing in depth, and the starting positions are still interesting and balanced.
At the press conference, it was suggested more game. Suggestion: ole timey time controls (i.e 40 in 2 hours; next 20 in one hour, etc), flat classical, no increment. If score tied after 12-18 games, champ retains title. Discuss:
Yeah, Svidler was talking about just making the time controls faster. More like what they use at the Olympiad where max game length is about 5.5 hours instead of what they used in London which had max of 7+ hours.
They have obviously edited the video since I posted that. Its likely that the stream had not fully been up on youtube and hence it was shorter and the relevant portion has moved from the timeline previously posted.
But all that means is that the with Grishcuk saying this match was boring is now at 04:08:10. if you tune into you will find Grischuk saying that this was too boring.
The points on 4:18 and 4:25 are irrlevant to this thread.
4:18 says how if magnus converts its a different match. Yeah but he didn't convert and hence this thread. I am not talking about 'fixing' chess, but merely how boring this match turned out to be.
4:25 they discuss Fischer random and again I have no problem with that format.
^ Exactly. roughly 5 seconds after the time point posted above, in the video he says something should change because it was too boring.
At the press conference, it was suggested more game. Suggestion: ole timey time controls (i.e 40 in 2 hours; next 20 in one hour, etc), flat classical, no increment. If score tied after 12-18 games, champ retains title. Discuss:
this is a good idea. if the score is tied after 18 games, the champion retains the title. this is how they do it at professional boxing. if the score is tied, the champion retains the title. i don't like these rapid/blitz tie breaker.
Also is lame resort a lot of people are trying to resort to about my skill, is neither here nor there. I as a viewer am free to decide what entertains me and what doesn't.
Its like if I say I don't like a particular song and you people go, but you don't have the singing skills as good as the singer so you can't not like the song, you have to like it.
Like with songs, movies and all things involving viewers, I, the viewer needn't be the same skill as the performer to decide whether I like their performance or not. So stop repeating is meaningless rant about "skill".
I am a viewer of the world chess championship match and I am bored with the match.