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ricorat

Nov 11, 2021

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CooloutAC wrote:

I personally play mostly 5+0. On occassion I play 30+0 when I just want to relax, usually watching tv at the same time, but I simply don't have the patience for it otherwise. I find the competition is much easier with rapid though. 600 rated players feel like 300 rated blitz players.

Interesting. I normally feel like the rapid playing pool is stronger as in blitz I’ve beaten 2100’s but in rapid I have a harder time against stronger opponents. Although I guess it depends on the person.

ricorat

Nov 11, 2021

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nklristic wrote:

ricorat wrote:

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Yeah agreed, I prefer 15|10 and other rapid increment time controls, but depending 30+ minutes on a game to only lose or end it in a draw is upsetting. Maybe I may get 8 points or something, but still, It's not like I have lots of time to play chess. I actually am pretty good at 15|10, I played in several 15|10 tournaments with great results.

Yeah 10+0 is nice because you can play around 5 games in an hour whereas 15+10 and 30+0 games can be around 30 minute to an hour.

I think that 10|0 is very tricky to play. It is easier to flag than in 5|5 games and you are lulled in a false sense of security that you have enough time. If I have to play such a short game, I would rather choose 5|5. But because I don't have to, I generally choose long games instead (unless I want to play some relaxing unrated chess when I play everything from 15|10 and up).

Agreed. I don’t really know how to play 10+0, as I normally blitz my moves and lose lol. 5+5 is nice because I can take my time to get a good position and have the increment

nklristic

Nov 11, 2021

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CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

10 minutes is not a rapid time control, it's blitz.

A rapid rating now doesn't mean much, as a blitz player can just inflate their rapid rating by playing 10 minute games.

15/10 or 30 minutes are real rapid times.

10 mins isn't considered blitz, and 30 mins isn't considered rapid even though chess.com has no separate rating for classical. Not that any of that matters people should just play whatever they like best whatever its labeled as. but i'm not understanding what you mean by blitz players inflating their rapid rating?

As someone else said, 10 minutes is a Blitz time control, but for some reason Chess.com changed it to rapid.

So if someone is better at Blitz than Rapid, they can simply infate their rapid rating by playing lots of 10 minute games. Gaining Rapid points with a Blitz time control.

I think they did it because 10|0 was the most played time control on the site at the time (probably still is) and if I am not mistaken, I believe they wanted to have more people in rapid category to even things up.

Hmm. To me it seems 5+0 and 15+10 are most popular.

At this point, that wasn't the case:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/interesting-chess-data-time-controls-and-game-results

Of course, something might have changed since then. For instance there are no statistics for 45|45 and 60|0, as this was back in 2017. so perhaps back then those were not a default time controls, but I don't think too much would change, a few percents here and there.

wow more then 5 mins? very interesting. I guess you are right and that is probably the reason they changed it. Makes sense.

I mean i know that people barely play 30 mins and up. but wow if 10 minse was not considered rapid barely anyone would be even playing rapid it seems.

Yeah, if you go with this, it would be too much blitz chess compared to rapid.

The average user rarely plays longer games, most people want to play short, casual games, but you can find games even in very long time controls, especially if you are not higher rated.

People play those long games, 3% is still enough to find a game, especially if you are not higher rated like 2 000+. If you are, you probably need to open one of those "I need a training partner" threads.

I don't know if I'd call it casusal since its way more mentally draining for me to play fast games. I guess it depends on what you feel is more important to you. All I see on youtube and twitch is my fav chess players competing in 5+0 or 3+2 blitz so thats I like to compete in. Speaking of which is my man Nihal playing right now!?!?

But I definitely don't have the patience for long games. I get 30 min games on chess.com. But On lichess at off peak hours I can't even get one at my level. I'm in qeue forever and give up searching.

Yeah, but that is mostly casual chess for them as well. They value classical chess/OTB tournaments a lot more. Plus viewers don't want generally to watch streamers play longer games, so that is another reason they play shorter games on twitch.

But, I say casual because an average chess.com user don't really care about improvement that much. He wants to kill some time with a few short games and that is it.

Playing longer games requires a lot of effort. If you play 1 game that lasts an hour or 2, it is pretty draining on the brain especially. If I play another, I would be pretty wiped. That is why I play 1 rated long game per 2 days in most cases. I played some blitz games elsewhere a year ago, it is not the same. When you blunder in 45|45 game emotions are higher so to speak. If I blunder in 5|5 it is more common anyway, as it is somewhat expected. Of course if you play blitz for a few hours you will feel tired, sure.

nklristic

Nov 11, 2021

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ricorat wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

I personally play mostly 5+0. On occassion I play 30+0 when I just want to relax, usually watching tv at the same time, but I simply don't have the patience for it otherwise. I find the competition is much easier with rapid though. 600 rated players feel like 300 rated blitz players.

Interesting. I normally feel like the rapid playing pool is stronger as in blitz I’ve beaten 2100’s but in rapid I have a harder time against stronger opponents. Although I guess it depends on the person.

I don't know what pool is stronger, but I played 3 games with people over 2 000 and 2 of those guys play 10|0 only. I played 30|0 with them. All 3 games were draws. Of course, I felt they are better than myself, and in 2 out of 3 games I was lost and in every one I was down on time as I play longer games, but I felt that the difference shouldn't be like 500-700 points.

That is why would like classical rating to be added. Mine 1 600 rating is not the same as 1 600 rating achieved by playing 10|0 games. I am not saying that my 1 600 is stronger, I am saying that it is achieved in different pools, and I can be a lot weaker/stronger than 1 600 rated player who plays 10|0 only.

nklristic

Nov 11, 2021

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#25

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

nklristic wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

10 minutes is not a rapid time control, it's blitz.

A rapid rating now doesn't mean much, as a blitz player can just inflate their rapid rating by playing 10 minute games.

15/10 or 30 minutes are real rapid times.

10 mins isn't considered blitz, and 30 mins isn't considered rapid even though chess.com has no separate rating for classical. Not that any of that matters people should just play whatever they like best whatever its labeled as. but i'm not understanding what you mean by blitz players inflating their rapid rating?

As someone else said, 10 minutes is a Blitz time control, but for some reason Chess.com changed it to rapid.

So if someone is better at Blitz than Rapid, they can simply infate their rapid rating by playing lots of 10 minute games. Gaining Rapid points with a Blitz time control.

I think they did it because 10|0 was the most played time control on the site at the time (probably still is) and if I am not mistaken, I believe they wanted to have more people in rapid category to even things up.

Hmm. To me it seems 5+0 and 15+10 are most popular.

At this point, that wasn't the case:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/interesting-chess-data-time-controls-and-game-results

Of course, something might have changed since then. For instance there are no statistics for 45|45 and 60|0, as this was back in 2017. so perhaps back then those were not a default time controls, but I don't think too much would change, a few percents here and there.

wow more then 5 mins? very interesting. I guess you are right and that is probably the reason they changed it. Makes sense.

I mean i know that people barely play 30 mins and up. but wow if 10 minse was not considered rapid barely anyone would be even playing rapid it seems.

Yeah, if you go with this, it would be too much blitz chess compared to rapid.

The average user rarely plays longer games, most people want to play short, casual games, but you can find games even in very long time controls, especially if you are not higher rated.

People play those long games, 3% is still enough to find a game, especially if you are not higher rated like 2 000+. If you are, you probably need to open one of those "I need a training partner" threads.

I don't know if I'd call it casusal since its way more mentally draining for me to play fast games. I guess it depends on what you feel is more important to you. All I see on youtube and twitch is my fav chess players competing in 5+0 or 3+2 blitz so thats I like to compete in. Speaking of which is my man Nihal playing right now!?!?

But I definitely don't have the patience for long games. I get 30 min games on chess.com. But On lichess at off peak hours I can't even get one at my level. I'm in qeue forever and give up searching.

Yeah, but that is mostly casual chess for them as well. They value classical chess/OTB tournaments a lot more. Plus viewers don't want generally to watch streamers play longer games, so that is another reason they play shorter games on twitch.

But, I say casual because an average chess.com user don't really care about improvement that much. He wants to kill some time with a few short games and that is it.

Playing longer games requires a lot of effort. If you play 1 game that lasts an hour or 2, it is pretty draining on the brain especially. If I play another, I would be pretty wiped. That is why I play 1 rated long game per 2 days in most cases. I played some blitz games elsewhere a year ago, it is not the same. When you blunder in 45|45 game emotions are higher so to speak. If I blunder in 5|5 it is more common anyway, as it is somewhat expected. Of course if you play blitz for a few hours you will feel tired, sure.

for me the 5_0 match is way more draining. It gets the blood pumping is more exciting. requires more mental excercise to develop that fast thinking and intution and pattern recognition. No time to slow down. 30+0 which I play is more relaxing and easy going. I play it while I watch tv. Competition is much easier too, its very noticeable.

its funny when I was watching the pros play in the blitz tourney in Riga after the Grand Swiss. They were visibly sweating. At the end of one intense Hans Neiman game, his face was red and his hair got all messed up lol.

Perhaps that is true on that level. On that level the difference between 30|0 and 5|5 is mostly blunder prevention. On intermediate level, you have a lot of things to consider during the game and 5|5 is not enough time for that. In 5|5 games in many cases you will go with your gut feeling. In 45|45 games that is not the case.

ninjaswat

Nov 11, 2021

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If I had time? 30+0

Though I play more 10+0 because I get relatively good quality games even compared to much longer time controls.

ninjaswat

Nov 11, 2021

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#27

CooloutAC wrote:

ricorat wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

I personally play mostly 5+0. On occassion I play 30+0 when I just want to relax, usually watching tv at the same time, but I simply don't have the patience for it otherwise. I find the competition is much easier with rapid though. 600 rated players feel like 300 rated blitz players.

Interesting. I normally feel like the rapid playing pool is stronger as in blitz I’ve beaten 2100’s but in rapid I have a harder time against stronger opponents. Although I guess it depends on the person.

true. separate ratings for a reason I guess. Then again what Im' playing is really considered classical so maybe they should add a rating for that.

I believe the site is currently working on that based off another thread I seem to have lost.

eric0022

Nov 11, 2021

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AunTheKnight wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

10 minutes is not a rapid time control, it's blitz.

A rapid rating now doesn't mean much, as a blitz player can just inflate their rapid rating by playing 10 minute games.

15/10 or 30 minutes are real rapid times.

10 mins isn't considered blitz, and 30 mins isn't considered rapid even though chess.com has no separate rating for classical. Not that any of that matters people should just play whatever they like best whatever its labeled as. but i'm not understanding what you mean by blitz players inflating their rapid rating?

On Chess.com, 10 minutes used to be blitz, but was changed to rapid (I do not know why). 10 minutes is blitz according to FIDE.

I suspect it's because 10|0 online and 10|0 over-the-board do not feel the same at all. Remember that in over-the-board games, we have to drag our hand to the clock and press it after each move. That takes away some time.

Also, in real life, you are basically playing against two things. One, the game, Two, the person. Some players feel intimidated by the looks of their opponents alone that they panick and take longer time to make a move than they would do during an online game.

10|0 online might be equivalent to like 12|0 or 15|0 over-the-board.

Ziryab

Nov 11, 2021

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#29

eric0022 wrote:

I suspect it's because 10|0 online and 10|0 over-the-board do not feel the same at all. Remember that in over-the-board games, we have to drag our hand to the clock and press it after each move. That takes away some time.

Also, in real life, you are basically playing against two things. One, the game, Two, the person. Some players feel intimidated by the looks of their opponents alone that they panick and take longer time to make a move than they would do during an online game.

10|0 online might be equivalent to like 12|0 or 15|0 over-the-board.

This makes a lot of sense. 5 0 is a popular OTB blitz speed. 3 0 feels closer to the online equivalent, IMO.

ninjaswat

Nov 11, 2021

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ricorat wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

I personally play mostly 5+0. On occassion I play 30+0 when I just want to relax, usually watching tv at the same time, but I simply don't have the patience for it otherwise. I find the competition is much easier with rapid though. 600 rated players feel like 300 rated blitz players.

Interesting. I normally feel like the rapid playing pool is stronger as in blitz I’ve beaten 2100’s but in rapid I have a harder time against stronger opponents. Although I guess it depends on the person.

+1 same for me lol

assassin3752

Nov 11, 2021

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#31

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

I am known for having multiple such threads.

no, ur known for being a troll

AunTheKnight

Nov 11, 2021

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#32

ChesswithNickolay wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

10 minutes is not a rapid time control, it's blitz.

A rapid rating now doesn't mean much, as a blitz player can just inflate their rapid rating by playing 10 minute games.

15/10 or 30 minutes are real rapid times.

*Me who plays 10 minute and has a 500 point rating difference from blitz*

Look kid, that's just wrong.

That’s because 3|2 and 10 minutes are two very different time controls. I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Ziryab

Nov 11, 2021

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#33

AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

AunTheKnight

Nov 11, 2021

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#34

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

My phrasing was awful. I meant that I believe it should be blitz online.

IM pfren

Nov 11, 2021

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#35

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

snow

Nov 11, 2021

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:

harrytipper3 wrote:

10 minutes is not a rapid time control, it's blitz.

A rapid rating now doesn't mean much, as a blitz player can just inflate their rapid rating by playing 10 minute games.

15/10 or 30 minutes are real rapid times.

*Me who plays 10 minute and has a 500 point rating difference from blitz*

Look kid, that's just wrong.

your rating difference of blitz is because you play 3 minute blitz. If you play 5|5 or something closer to 10 minutes then you would probably have a smaller rating difference.

Ziryab

Nov 11, 2021

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AunTheKnight wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

My phrasing was awful. I meant that I believe it should be blitz online.

Gotcha!

I like that it is not, but I respect the views of those who disagree. Until just over a year ago, I did not play 10 0 on this site. I played it quite a bit on Lichess, though. Ten minute games are enough different from three minute games that I did not want to play both if they were rated the same.

Many years ago, I played 2 12 on ICC. That was blitz, too, but it no longer feels that way to me.

nklristic

Nov 11, 2021

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#38

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

My phrasing was awful. I meant that I believe it should be blitz online.

Gotcha!

I like that it is not, but I respect the views of those who disagree. Until just over a year ago, I did not play 10 0 on this site. I played it quite a bit on Lichess, though. Ten minute games are enough different from three minute games that I did not want to play both if they were rated the same.

Many years ago, I played 2 12 on ICC. That was blitz, too, but it no longer feels that way to me.

How about 10|0 and 45|45 then? Are those similar enough?

Chuck639

Nov 11, 2021

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#39

I like 15/10 and dislike 10/0 so I’ll play 5/5 as an alternative to 10/0.

I go by what FIDE says which is 10/0 blitz.

Ziryab

Nov 11, 2021

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#40

nklristic wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz.

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

My phrasing was awful. I meant that I believe it should be blitz online.

Gotcha!

I like that it is not, but I respect the views of those who disagree. Until just over a year ago, I did not play 10 0 on this site. I played it quite a bit on Lichess, though. Ten minute games are enough different from three minute games that I did not want to play both if they were rated the same.

Many years ago, I played 2 12 on ICC. That was blitz, too, but it no longer feels that way to me.

How about 10|0 and 45|45 then? Are those similar enough?

Nope. That's the benefit of a third category: classical, which Lichess uses.

In the US, our chess federation rates blitz, quick, and regular. Some time controls are dual rated.

Total playing time for each player 5-10 minutes is blitz. More than 10 minutes and less than 30 is quick only. From 30 to 65 minutes is dual rated--quick and regular. More than 65 minutes is regular. As I understand the formula, 25+25 would be regarded as 50 minutes total time per player and would be dual rated. 45+45 would be considered 90 minutes, and would be rated as regular. On Lichess that TC is classical.