Optimal rapid time control?

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nklristic
Ziryab wrote:
nklristic wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:

I do believe, however, 10 minute is blitz. 

 

Not on this site. Not on Lichess. Rapid both places.

OTB, 10 minute is blitz.

My phrasing was awful. I meant that I believe it should be blitz online. 

 

Gotcha!

I like that it is not, but I respect the views of those who disagree. Until just over a year ago, I did not play 10 0 on this site. I played it quite a bit on Lichess, though. Ten minute games are enough different from three minute games that I did not want to play both if they were rated the same.

Many years ago, I played 2 12 on ICC. That was blitz, too, but it no longer feels that way to me.

 

How about 10|0 and 45|45 then? Are those similar enough?

 

Nope. That's the benefit of a third category: classical, which Lichess uses.

In the US, our chess federation rates blitz, quick, and regular. Some time controls are dual rated.

Total playing time for each player 5-10 minutes is blitz. More than 10 minutes and less than 30 is quick only. From 30 to 65 minutes is dual rated--quick and regular. More than 65 minutes is regular. As I understand the formula, 25+25 would be regarded as 50 minutes total time per player and would be dual rated. 45+45 would be considered 90 minutes, and would be rated as regular. On Lichess that TC is classical.

Hehe, I know, I am just joking around because 10|0 and 45|45 is as different as night and day. Hopefully they will implement classical rating eventually, as it was stated a few months ago.

Ziryab

I have always said that I hate dual rated events. Every club meeting where we discuss planning events, I advocate for g29--pure quick, or longer times that are pure regular. I often claim I do not play dual events.

Ironically, my performance averages in dual rated are better than in blitz, straight quick, and regular.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:

Classical is just practice for blitz for me.

 

Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing, that is, unless you are ambitious to improve rapidly. If you have such ambitions, too much blitz will flatten your learning curve.

assassin3752
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
assassin3752 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

I am known for having multiple such threads.

no, ur known for being a troll

No, you are known for being a fool

if you really disagree with me, then just ask Aun lol

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

Classical is just practice for blitz for me.

 

Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing, that is, unless you are ambitious to improve rapidly. If you have such ambitions, too much blitz will flatten your learning curve.

 

You are contradicting yourself yet again.  Either I improve slowly or I don't improve at all.  which is it? 

 

You could improve rapidly. At the level you are currently playing, any good coach or even a decent learning plan that you follow without a coach will produce rapid chess improvement.

I was a beginner for eight years. Then, when I started reading chess books, I improved rapidly. My progress was not measurable by rating, unfortunately: no one I knew even knew there were chess ratings. I was equal to one friend, and then a few weeks later was much better. A new kid moved into the neighborhood. We were about equal. Another month later, I was much better.

Then I played my dad. He taught me to play slower. I won the only two games we ever played. His success in another sport still motivates me, and I'll never reach his level in target shooting. But he continues to inspire me, and on this day, Veterans Day, I remember his service too.

In those days, I only played chess with friends and at school. It was another two years before I knew someone who was better than me. I had to work hard to beat him, and I never beat him consistently. Eventually, in my late-40s, I surpassed his peak rating.

assassin3752
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
assassin3752 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
assassin3752 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

I am known for having multiple such threads.

no, ur known for being a troll

No, you are known for being a fool

if you really disagree with me, then just ask Aun lol

Ask yourself

I dont need to

assassin3752
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Then go fask yourself

nickolay go grrrrr

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
 

  I'd rather do puzzles and practice exercises and study historical matches which i find help me improve more then classical does.    I'm here to play blitzl.   Its the more fun, challenging  and competitive mode for me.  To each his own.   

 

I think you have a good program here. 

I'm also pleased to see that you value historical matches. Too many chess players eschew anything that didn't happen in their lifetime.

Blitz is fun, challenging, and competitive. You also can learn a lot from it, especially if you seek to improve not only your losses, but also your wins.
Improving my wins, where I was getting away with errors, was the point of http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2021/11/cultivating-error.html

I play all time controls, including correspondence chess. It is great game. Blitz is smoke and mirrors; correspondence is a search for truth. Robert Desjarlais quoted me saying something along those lines in Counterplay: An Anthropologist at the Chessboard (2011). 

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
 

  I'd rather do puzzles and practice exercises and study historical matches which i find help me improve more then classical does.    I'm here to play blitzl.   Its the more fun, challenging  and competitive mode for me.  To each his own.   

 

I think you have a good program here. 

I'm also pleased to see that you value historical matches. Too many chess players eschew anything that didn't happen in their lifetime.

Blitz is fun, challenging, and competitive. You also can learn a lot from it, especially if you seek to improve not only your losses, but also your wins.
Improving my wins, where I was getting away with errors, was the point of http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2021/11/cultivating-error.html

I play all time controls, including correspondence chess. It is great game. Blitz is smoke and mirrors; correspondence is a search for truth. Robert Desjarlais quoted me saying something along those lines in Counterplay: An Anthropologist at the Chessboard (2011). 

I was with up until the last statement  Blitz is "smoke and mirrors"  And correspondence is "the search for the truth"    Sorry bud, I totally disagree.  Blitz is everything standard and correspondence is with the added dynamics of the faster time control.  Like the need for quicker thinking for faster intuition, board vision and  pattern recognition.  The need to excercise your mind and body for the muscle memory and coordination.  The need for that experience,  as per your Magnus quote,  to ensure all these things.   To me,  Blitz IS the truth and the test if you've found it.

 

 

I stand corrected. How could I possibly know as much as you about two things I’ve been doing since before you were born? Carry on.

 

ninjaswat
pfren wrote:

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

How about 30+0? I've started playing more of that on lichess but don't know if it is adequate preparation for real OTB classical tournaments.

pfren
ninjaswat wrote:
pfren wrote:

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

How about 30+0? I've started playing more of that on lichess but don't know if it is adequate preparation for real OTB classical tournaments.

 

It's quite OK, but time controls with increment are helping close to the end of the game when you are short of time. In regular OTB virtually all tournaments are played with 30" time increment (there you DO have to write down all the moves on the scoresheet).

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ninjaswat
pfren wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
pfren wrote:

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

How about 30+0? I've started playing more of that on lichess but don't know if it is adequate preparation for real OTB classical tournaments.

 

It's quite OK, but time controls with increment are helping close to the end of the game when you are short of time. In regular OTB virtually all tournaments are played with 30" time increment (there you DO have to write down all the moves on the scoresheet).

Yeah OTB I remember playing some 45|15 and 25|10 I believe. Didn't do too well (3/4 in the U1400 section since I lost a winning game in round 3) but I've gotten better since then...

Did some 30|30 but it only really seemed to help my opponents since I've never had trouble with time OTB or in long time controls online.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
pfren wrote:

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

How about 30+0? I've started playing more of that on lichess but don't know if it is adequate preparation for real OTB classical tournaments.

I usually can't even get a 30+0 game on lichess its so dead at my level.  I hope chess.com adds a separate rating for 30+0.

 

I tried 30 0 there yesterday. Gave up after one minute. Went for 10 0 instead and played two games.

Depends on the time of the day. Sometimes I can get 30+ with our without increment easily; other times not at all.

ninjaswat
CooloutAC wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
pfren wrote:

25 | 10 is good enough a time control to label the game as "serious".

How about 30+0? I've started playing more of that on lichess but don't know if it is adequate preparation for real OTB classical tournaments.

I usually can't even get a 30+0 game on lichess its so dead at my level.  I hope chess.com adds a separate rating for 30+0.

I've been getting them pretty easily, I can wait a minute or two. Current 2253 provisional, so not sure if that will follow. Maybe your challenge settings are too narrow?

pfren
ninjaswat wrote:
 

Yeah OTB I remember playing some 45|15 and 25|10 I believe. Didn't do too well (3/4 in the U1400 section since I lost a winning game in round 3) but I've gotten better since then...

Did some 30|30 but it only really seemed to help my opponents since I've never had trouble with time OTB or in long time controls online.

 

25 | 10 is standard rapid time control.

45 | 15 is a bit strange, because the players do NOT have to fill in the scoresheets if the increment is less than 30 seconds (according to FIDE rules).

ninjaswat
pfren wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:
 

Yeah OTB I remember playing some 45|15 and 25|10 I believe. Didn't do too well (3/4 in the U1400 section since I lost a winning game in round 3) but I've gotten better since then...

Did some 30|30 but it only really seemed to help my opponents since I've never had trouble with time OTB or in long time controls online.

 

25 | 10 is standard rapid time control.

45 | 15 is a bit strange, because the players do NOT have to fill in the scoresheets if the increment is less than 30 seconds (according to FIDE rules).

We played with USCF rules but having a clock wasn't even mandatory so I don't really know how I stand there.

ninjaswat

Though for my next tournament I may be playing with FIDE rules, any major changes from USCF rules? (I've played OTB before and know most of the normal rules, i.e. touch move, etc.)

AunTheKnight
ninjaswat wrote:

Though for my next tournament I may be playing with FIDE rules, any major changes from USCF rules? (I've played OTB before and know most of the normal rules, i.e. touch move, etc.)

Bishop + K vs K is a win if the opponent without the bishop times out because of helpmate.