"Pattern recognition" DEBUNKED

Of course there is pattern recognition. Easy to find the winning move because the brain has seen this setup many times before.

No one is gonna trust me if I say I compose Music in Dreams too . No Kidding , No lie . Sometimes songs too . May be some bits or every song that I listen gets together in my mind and a new Song is created on own , but I cant record or Write them because this happens just before I fall asleep . May be this is Because of chess . Patterns :/

I listen to them . I dont create them . I dont try to create them . They born from nowhere and they start Playing like I am listening them through a Headset or Speaker :/

sometimes I hear really good rock music in dreams ,but even while I dream I know I won,t rem,them ,

I guess getting to know our subconcious is a part of our evolutionary process

we must be boring the pants of everyone here. :-)

lol P

we maybe a collective conciousness,like the Borg ,we certainly behave like them.

I name a few chess terms in no particular order.

Hole, skewer, fork, pin, 7th rank (including "pigs" on thr 7th), back row, open file, open lines, bad Bishop, doubled rooks, passed pawn, f2, f7, blockade, isolated pawn, loose piece, discovered check, double check, in between move, zugswang, opposition, key square, tempo gainer, combination. I know there are many others, and perhaps I have missed other even more important ones.

These are all related to the term pattern.

Patterns seem to me to consist of certain "relevant features" prescinding from all the other features which are unrelated to the "pattern".

Patterns somehow sort out the wheat from the chaff in any position.

In short, patterns, however loose a term that is, help to clarify a player's thinking as an aid to finding the best move/s, or a plan.

Think about it this way: the patterns exist on the board if you know them or you don't. It helped me motivate me more learning patterns, but also made me realize that they are all connected, like weaving an intricate spiders web from different strands. For example, when learning mating patterns, you realize that Andersons, Morphys and Grecos mate are actually all cousins, utilizing different diagonals, files and themes how to get there, but understanding them also leads to right strategy. You realize the importance of bishops and open diagonals leading to the enemy king and on basis of that you may formulate a plan. A beginner might stop exchanging his bishop for the knight on c3/f3/c6/f6 for example, having learned how strong his bishop will become later. The patterns belong to chess like the physical laws of our universe even if we don't understand them all. But understanding and knowing more of them, well, you get to manipulate the whole position more to your liking/advantage. And who can deny the joy, when , after years, you Legall' them in a middle position which resembles nothing like the position studied but you recognized that you could manipulate individual strands to build a suiting (mating) net☺. Just to complete though, solving random tactics on end without any structure promoting recognition, has a more limited effect, mainly on calculation skills and patience. My 2 pence and thank you all for the never-ending advice and all the things I have learned just from the players on this site. Hakuna Matata

Good post, sparxs. You should post more often. 

i like guinness,good post sparkx theory combined with practical use

This really.

 

Not all humans are the same, not all of them have the same talents in the same areas and there are even very large and noticeable differences in basic brainpower, IQ or whatever you want to call it between individuals.

 

In short, for humans, same amount of time, money and hard work invested totally does NOT equal same results.

getting carried away by the exuberence of your own verbosity.

camter wrote:

I name a few chess terms in no particular order.

Hole, skewer, fork, pin, 7th rank (including "pigs" on thr 7th), back row, open file, open lines, bad Bishop, doubled rooks, passed pawn, f2, f7, blockade, isolated pawn, loose piece, discovered check, double check, in between move, zugswang, opposition, key square, tempo gainer, combination. I know there are many others, and perhaps I have missed other even more important ones.

These are all related to the term pattern.

Patterns seem to me to consist of certain "relevant features" prescinding from all the other features which are unrelated to the "pattern".

Patterns somehow sort out the wheat from the chaff in any position.

In short, patterns, however loose a term that is, help to clarify a player's thinking as an aid to finding the best move/s, or a plan.

 

Kinda, you might look at the link in the first post. The article referenced there takes issue specifically with Arthur Van de Oudeweetering's definitions.

 

its all double dutch to me ,I ,m sorry but it seems the whole premise of this thread is for the protagonists to appear intellectual and flaunt their superior knowledge of an intangible premise and overide questioning , not to inform .!

but I will download it and if I have 10 yrs left in me I may grasp the foreword. Ziryab

I think a lot of people think of pattern recognition the wrong way. The ability is not about recalling things you've memorized. It's a part most intelligence tests (just part). When psychologists test for pattern recognition, they show the subject patters to see if they can recognize them. These are not patterns that they expect the subject to have previously seen or route memorized in the past - in fact, that would make the test invalid. they're trying to assess the subjects' ability to notice the relationships between groups of numbers, shapes, ideas, etc.

In chess, I think that GMs and many other good chess players benefit from have this ability in spades. When we (less talented players) practice tactics, only part of our improvement comes from memorizing positions. I think most of the improvement results from the practice/improvement at recognizing relationships as described above.

For example, the newer one is at chess, the more likely they are to hang pieces to simple one-move captures. By practicing tactics, we train our brains to 'recognize' when pieces are hanging. This has nothing to do with memorizing relative positions of pieces on the board - it's just about seeing and 'noticing' that your queen is on a bishop's open diagonal. That's a simple example but the concept holds for more complicated tactics. It's all about being able to notice and cogitate relationships. The OP is right in suggesting that you don't have to have seen the exact pattern before in order to recognize it. It's no different than the ability to see in someone's facial expression that they are angry. You don't have to have seen that person angry before, or the exact facial expression.

do any of you think psychology comes into play in chess ,that when you realise someone has reacted positively or negatively to ones last move and therefore they become more likely to underestimate your abilities ,leaving you on a good counter attack position ,by throwing a red herring into play I,ve managed to turn many certain defeats into draws,conversley the opposite is also true when you play a good game your opponents react very carefully.

Get rekt caveman, you debunked your debunk yourself.