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NJCat

akafett wrote:

One thing you have to keep in mind is that when film makers are conveying what we view as an exciting game onto the big screeen, certain elements must be added/changed for the benefit of those viewers who would otherwise equate the watching of a chess game with watching grass grow.

So, I'm not going to nit pick as long as they avoid blunders.

Fischer blundered a bishop in a drawn endgame and subsequently lost game one against Spassky. I hope they didn't gloss over blunders and make Fischer out to be a perfect chess player.

CanonicalKnight

Watching the trailer, I like how they tried to split the difference between algebraic notation and descriptive.  Algebraic would be "e4".  Descriptive would be "P-K4".  They have "P-e4".  :D

I need to check IMDb to see who (if anyone) served as a chess advisor to the film.

Edited to fix spelling.  More coffee! 

Pai_Mei

Is the movie out yet?

Don't want to miss this one.

kenardi

Descriptive-Algebraic Notation  Laughing


AussieMatey

That's what I use when playing OTB games. I'll write e4, d5 etc., but whenever there's a capture I write QxB, NPxR etc., so I can tell by looking at the scoresheet, where every, and what, piece was taken. You can't tell that by using just Algebraic. 

CanonicalKnight
AussieRookie wrote:

That's what I use when playing OTB games. I'll write e4, d5 etc., but whenever there's a capture I write QxB, NPxR etc., so I can tell by looking at the scoresheet, where every, and what, piece was taken. You can't tell that by using just Algebraic. 

Personally, I prefer descriptive--it's easier to see what's where than having to play through everything thing a la algebraic.  Then, too, I'm old and descriptive is how I first learned to notate. Cool

kenardi
Pai_Mei wrote:

Is the movie out yet?

Don't want to miss this one.

Release Date in the United States: September 16, 2015

not sure about anyplace else...

Rsava

I can play with either, and switch between them easily. I played against an older friend via email,,I sent my first move 1. e4, he had no clue what I sent. He thought I had sent an email meant for something else.

Robert_New_Alekhine
NJCat wrote:
akafett wrote:

One thing you have to keep in mind is that when film makers are conveying what we view as an exciting game onto the big screeen, certain elements must be added/changed for the benefit of those viewers who would otherwise equate the watching of a chess game with watching grass grow.

So, I'm not going to nit pick as long as they avoid blunders.

Fischer blundered a bishop in a drawn endgame and subsequently lost game one against Spassky. I hope they didn't gloss over blunders and make Fischer out to be a perfect chess player.

I watched the movie, they showed the blunder.

akafett
Robert0905 wrote:
NJCat wrote:
akafett wrote:

One thing you have to keep in mind is that when film makers are conveying what we view as an exciting game onto the big screeen, certain elements must be added/changed for the benefit of those viewers who would otherwise equate the watching of a chess game with watching grass grow.

So, I'm not going to nit pick as long as they avoid blunders.

Fischer blundered a bishop in a drawn endgame and subsequently lost game one against Spassky. I hope they didn't gloss over blunders and make Fischer out to be a perfect chess player.

I watched the movie, they showed the blunder.

What I meant by "blunder" is that I hope hollywood didn't fail to make the chess match look realistic in the eyes of those of us who would notice.

CanonicalKnight

The trailer also seems to be heavily playing up Fischer's mental illness--something that didn't really start showing up until later (not counting egomania, general cockiness and so forth).  As for "paranoia" about bugging phones and what-not, that wasn't paranoia during the Cold War years, that was something fairly plausible, and such beliefs weren't all on Fischer's side.  As I recall, there was a complaint from Spassky's side that the Americans had sprinkled some sort of poisonous/noxious/radioactive powder around (totally ignoring the fact that it would've affected Fischer as well), causing the Icelandic organizers to sweep the room.  They didn't find any nasty druggy things, but they did find a bug....a dead fly in one of the overhead lights.  Tongue Out

I checked the IMDb, but didn't see if this was based on a book.  I was wondering if it was based (loosely) on the book Bobby Fischer Goes to War, a book I have, but haven't had the chance to read yet.

CanonicalKnight
stuzzicadenti wrote:

"Bobby Fischer Goes to War" is a great book. Much better than Frank Brady's "Profile of a Prodigy".

That sounds like a solid recommendation--thank you!  I'll start in on it tonight.  

kindaspongey
Rsava wrote:

I thought he was really late to one of the WC games? I was only 10 then and the mind is fuzzy ...

"Six minutes after the scheduled start of the first game, Fischer appeared ..." - Bobby Fischer Goes to War by David Edmond and John Eidinow

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708111742/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review431.pdf

shivahosamane
 idiott
kenardi wrote:
JamieKowalski wrote:

At the 1 minute mark in the clip, Bobby's clock seems to have suddenly advanced another 40 minutes, and he still hasn't forfeited. However, this is just in time for the camera to get a nice view of the second hand, so it's totally warrented. 

And then, as if to say "Got the shot," the clock jumps back again.

And when Fischer finally hits the clock, the ticking stops... I guess his opponent has a digital clock. 

Cutting off the ticking like that is so much more dramatic... and expected.

kindaspongey

yeres30 wrote:

"... And the only game that Fischer that Fischer lost on forfeit was Game 2.

However, in Game 2 Fischer not only did not show up at all but he also had White. 

Which means that Fischer's clock is on the right and it is Spassky's clock on the left.  Except that Spassky never lost a game on forfeit for arriving over 1 hour late. ..."

If I heard correctly, the scene is not supposed to depict something that happened at the world championship. See my post #7 from about two days ago for a guess at the primary inspiration for the movie scene. It has to be admitted that the details, as depicted in the movie, don't completely match the Sousse 1967 incident either. For one thing, if I heard correctly, the movie purported to be showing an incident in connection with the first round of a tournament.

shivahosamane
ylblai2 wrote:

yeres30 wrote:

"... And the only game that Fischer that Fischer lost on forfeit was Game 2.

However, in Game 2 Fischer not only did not show up at all but he also had White. 

Which means that Fischer's clock is on the right and it is Spassky's clock on the left.  Except that Spassky never lost a game on forfeit for arriving over 1 hour late. ..."

If I heard correctly, the scene is not supposed to depict something that happened at the world championship. See my post #7 from about two days ago for a guess at the primary inspiration for the movie scene. It has to be admitted that the details, as depicted in the movie, don't completely match Sousse 1967 incident either. For one thing, if I heard correctly, the movie purported to be showing an incident in connection with the first round of a tournament.

shivahosamane
yeres30 wrote:

 

Trailer mixes Description (P-N3) and Algebraic notation (B-C4)

kenardi
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Biotk
yeres30 wrote:

 

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FIDE rules stipulate that a player loses the game when he arrives over an hour late.

As usual movie directors who knows nothing about chess rules and how the game is played screwed up on this one.

1) If Fischer's clock is on the left with his flag down after 5 o'clock, he automaticall had already lost the game. 

2) Therefore, having forfeited the game, it is impossible for Fischer to be adjusting his pieces

And the only game that Fischer that Fischer lost on forfeit was Game 2.

However, in Game 2 Fischer not only did not show up at all but he also had White. 

Which means that Fischer's clock is on the right and it is Spassky's clock on the left.  Except that Spassky never lost a game on forfeit for arriving over 1 hour late.

As usual, a director who knows nothing about chess screwed up on this one.

One of the common mistakes made by movie directors on chess is to set up chessboard incorrectly whereby the rightmost square is Black instead of White.

The game with the clock running down is clearly not against Spassky and clearly not during the world championship.