people have 'wrongly' accused me of cheating - Chess Forums - Page 2

cap78red · 2022-10-26T08:36:15-07:00

in 1996, when computers were rubbish at strategy i used a computer to get the tactics right in a correspondence british championships, i also used a computer to play an opponent who wanted to play my computer, on an online chess server and got banned for it. ie Lichess server. I have also been accus

DrSpudnik

Oct 26, 2022

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Phlabibit wrote:

Back in near 2007 to 2011 I was a game moderator on a correspondence chess web site. About 4 other players and myself would load suspected games into a variety of chess engines and watch for suspect game patterns.

One guy matching up near 99% every game after having been an 800 player for several months.

Long story short, he was banned and sent the reasons why. We got a message back. “Yes, I believe everyone has chess programs these days but I only use it as a study tool. I use it only to learn, but in the end I decide what move to make.”

Still not sure if it was a joke or honest excuse for cheating.

That's the standard rationalization. They could never come up with the moves they play if they didn't have the computer program, so they satisfy themselves with being a kind of ultimate moderator over the computer's suggestions. They call this "playing".

1c0nIc

Oct 26, 2022

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Phlabibit wrote:

Back in near 2007 to 2011 I was a game moderator on a correspondence chess web site. About 4 other players and myself would load suspected games into a variety of chess engines and watch for suspect game patterns.

One guy matching up near 99% every game after having been an 800 player for several months.

Long story short, he was banned and sent the reasons why. We got a message back. “Yes, I believe everyone has chess programs these days but I only use it as a study tool. I use it only to learn, but in the end I decide what move to make.”

Still not sure if it was a joke or honest excuse for cheating.

"I decide what move to make after seeing the best move."

Ziryab

Oct 26, 2022

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#23

cap78red wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

cap78red wrote:

I DID NOT CHEAT the point is correspondence chess in 1996 is chess which allowed computer assistance it is chess by letter and in 2016 i used a computer on lichess but my opponent was aware of this and actually wanted to test his ability. against my fritz and i got banned for it unfairly.

Your meaning would be more clear if you used punctuation. Please read Lynne Truss, Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation (2003). It is a classic. You will enjoy it and it will help you communicate more effectively.

its not written in swahili , its written in english

Sans punctuation, it is barely English. Things are run together in ways that obscure.

cap78red

Oct 27, 2022

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Phlabibit wrote:

Back in near 2007 to 2011 I was a game moderator on a correspondence chess web site. About 4 other players and myself would load suspected games into a variety of chess engines and watch for suspect game patterns.

One guy matching up near 99% every game after having been an 800 player for several months.

Long story short, he was banned and sent the reasons why. We got a message back. “Yes, I believe everyone has chess programs these days but I only use it as a study tool. I use it only to learn, but in the end I decide what move to make.”

Still not sure if it was a joke or honest excuse for cheating.

in 1996 correspondence chess didnt make it illegal to use a computer as computers only made the best move 70% of the time not 100% so there was some human input to strategical moves. You are probably too young to know this. Is computer use illegal now? i played correspondence around 2011 and didnt use any assistance and got hammered nearly every game with a 5% win record.

llama36

Oct 27, 2022

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cap78red wrote:

in 1996 correspondence chess didnt make it illegal to use a computer . . . is computer use illegal now?

No.

llama36

Oct 27, 2022

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#26

HiramHolliday wrote:

Lock?

It's ok to talk about cheating that isn't done on chess.com... although a certain new mod doesn't know that yet, so you could probably get him to lock this.

cap78red

Oct 27, 2022

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llama36 wrote:

HiramHolliday wrote:

Lock?

It's ok to talk about cheating that isn't done on chess.com... although a certain new mod doesn't know that yet, so you could probably get him to lock this.

is it ok to talk about not cheating and being accused of it then? do you all have difficulty with understanding my english words?

BigRob56

Oct 27, 2022

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#28

SO many people accuse me aswell but I suppose it is cause I am sooo good so they get jealous

llama36

Oct 27, 2022

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#29

cap78red wrote:

do you all have difficulty with understanding my english words?

Yes.

In all likelyhood there's something seriously wrong with you.

DreamscapeHorizons

Oct 27, 2022

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#30

The iccf allows computers to be used in their chess tournaments which I think is bazaar because that's seems like a battle of who has the best chess engine or who let's theirs run longer or whatever. I guess they decided to allow it because they realized they couldn't stop it.

cap78red

Oct 27, 2022

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HiramHolliday wrote:

Probably Taffy. #36.🤣

atleast we arent 5 million people with delusions of grandeur who will end up picking up the dirt the germans do on theyre streets

DrSpudnik

Oct 27, 2022

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cap78red wrote:

HiramHolliday wrote:

Probably Taffy. #36.🤣

atleast we arent 5 million people with delusions of grandeur who will end up picking up the dirt the germans do on theyre streets

Not just a case for punctuation to clarify meaning but a chance to learn the "their, there, they're" difference.

HawkedEkko

Oct 27, 2022

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#33

you beat Nigel short 8-0?

llama36

Oct 27, 2022

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#34

qmjWolf wrote:

you beat Nigel short 8-0?

No, he's delusional.

He claims to have beaten Short in the 90s, when Short was one of the best players in the world.

Ziryab

Oct 27, 2022

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DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

The iccf allows computers to be used in their chess tournaments which I think is bazaar because that's seems like a battle of who has the best chess engine or who let's theirs run longer or whatever. I guess they decided to allow it because they realized they couldn't stop it.

Skilled players make choices in correspondence play so that it is cyborg vs. cyborg, not engine vs. engine. As powerful as engines have become, the human element is responsible for finding a way to win. I’ve played ICCF enough to have the satisfaction of making a choice to pursue a line that the engine considered equal, but that had a dynamic imbalance.

DreamscapeHorizons

Oct 27, 2022

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#36

Could the top 5 players use a 3000 rated chess engine against the best chess program (maybe it's 3600-3800) and win a serious classical match for serious money?

Ziryab

Oct 27, 2022

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#37

Probably.

llama36

Oct 27, 2022

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#38

A 3000 rated engine would lose 99 games out of 100 to a 3600 engine... I don't think humans tweaking a handful of strategic choices is going to overcome that.

Could a 1200 player consulting a 1500 engine beat a master? No. It would essentially be the matser playing the engine, and if the ratings are accurate the master will win. Same sort of scenario.

DreamscapeHorizons

Oct 27, 2022

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#39

That would be a fascinating experiment. Maybe a stronger engine with the humans but still significantly lower than the best.

cap78red

Oct 27, 2022

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qmjWolf wrote:

you beat Nigel short 8-0?

check out 'i was mistaken for bobby fischer' thread here is a link https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/i-was-mistaken-for-bobby-fischer on here or google '2001 icc nigel short vs bobby fischer'