players need to start playing obscure openings against magnus

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Mandy711

Hustlers are no match to grandmasters even at blitz. Ivanchuk once played with the hustlers of Manila during the Manila Chess Olympiad. He beat them all easily.

DjonniDerevnja

Maybe I will educate myself to hustler, and get an income from that when I become pensionist. If I can reach Fide 2100 it might be good enough.

DjonniDerevnja
stuzzicadenti wrote:

I think you are forgetting that Magnus is an endgame one trick pony. Without his endgame skills he has nothing. So if you can get a good position in the middlegame then you have a good chance of winning,

Wrong. Magnus is a fantastic middlegame tactic and positional player.One of his top things is that he is the best in improving the positions and making passive pieces work better.If you get a god position against him in move 15, everything is turned to his advantage in move 25. 

ponz111
0110001101101000 wrote:  ponz in blue
ponz111 wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:

Players way below 2800 understand the basics and can play a reasonable game on their own. No opening knowledge required.

This is true of players rated 800 or below. Once you get above a rating of 800, you begin to need to have some knowledge of openings.

However it would be hard to say that a player rated below 800 can play a reasonable game on their own.

There were very strong players before opening books were printed. They made their own openings.  One does not have to use an opening book to understand openings.

Some of them we still use today. Understanding chess is enough to play reasonably in the opening, no need to memorize anything.  Who said anything about memorizing openings?  One does not have to memorize openings to understand openings.

Understanding opening theory is a must. Even at the 800 level unstanding a little opening theory is a must. I mean you don't start out a game playing 1. a4  and then 

2. h4  

Even a 800 rated player needs to know the importance of the center in the opening.  The 1100 rated player must know more than that about openings or he will go back down to 800.  It is just silly to say understanding chess is enough to play reasonably in the opening.  And it is wrong to imply that learning about opening theory is just memorizing moves.

Although in the modern age it's true this isn't a practical way to go about it. I suggest players memorize the first few moves of any opening they intend to play, even if the moves make no sense to them. not such a good suggestion. they need to learn some of the ideas of any opening they intend to play.

Also, GMs have seen a MASSIVE amount of games. Even when they say they know "nothing" about an opening, they probably know more than most patzers who play the opening every day lol :)   GMs use various methods to learn about and to understand openings. 

Daybreak57

A person that plays good chess (magnus) knows how to handle offbeat lines ;), and much in the same way like a person that knows how to play good chess knows how to play an offbeat line ;)

For what it's worth.  I watch two people play chess a lot.  They are a lot better than I am.  One of them, when they play each other, wins a lot more than the other.  The other guy, who wins a lot less, often tries offbeat lines to try and win, but my friend, the other guy, just counters it with good chess, and still wins.

It is true that the line doesn't win the game, but rather, the good chess principles that back it up.  I've seen various people win using gambits not often seen and do so in the opening.  Those traps can be easily avoided, but if you don't know the trick...  That being said, obscure chess is for one trick ponies.  If you want to get really good at chess, you first have to learn how to win the classical way, and worry about the obscure later, that's comming from FCO book, so you really don't have to take my word on it.  Two grand masters can play together, one using an offbeat line, and may get lucky and win due to a tactic the other grand master did not see, and that is a big if, because grand masters can see a lot of things, regardless if it is an obscure line or not, because they play good chess, even still, that is just one game, and it isn't going to work the next time around.

I admire people that get pretty good and start to play risky gambits, and I'm glad for it, because it has helped me learn about those offbeat gambits in turn, and now I am better because of it.  But if you hope to win banking on the hope that "he doesn't see it," then I would say that is not a good foundation to build upon.

DjonniDerevnja

A new line, a well prepared novelty, can give very strong GMs deep trouble.A specialist (IM) thats written book about his opening, can outplay a very strong GM in his speciality. Look at this fantastic game between IM Marc Esserman and GM Loek Van Vely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7CdYxjVIc

This opening , the Smith Morra gambit, is quite mainline, a very sound gambit where you gives a pawn to gain a good lead in development.

ponz111

I used to play offbeat openings and did very well doing this. Beat many a master playing the Smith Morra and never lost to a GM playing my off beat openings.   But I noticed my good results often came from a not so good position in some openings.

Then I started playing completely sound openings--and guess what--I became even stronger.

I would advise any player who wants to get above the 2300 level to stick to sound openings. 

DjonniDerevnja

Sarcasm is not working fine. On this forum we have kids, beginners, GMs , people from all over the world. Sarcasm makes a mess of everything.

DjonniDerevnja

jengaias, you are right about our kids, they really are smart !

Sarcasm online is not as easy to see, as in real life, because its not supported by voice and bodylanguage. It is also difficult for people who dont have native english (like me), or dont have a sarcasm-culture.