What argument would that be? Hanging pieces = you're lazy. That's the entire argument, in a nutshell, yes?
Players that habitually drop pieces
You're a weenie. How do you know they're not working on correcting the problem? Some people are more experienced than others, you know.
Wow, alright. Apparently we both have very different views on how to treat other human beings, I suppose. I feel very sorry for you. I guess we're done here.
The repeated problem is applying your POV to everyone else. For example some people are content with their current playing strength, and don't have time to play except on the weekends for fun. They enjoy playing and they hang pieces.
Some are determined to get better, and eventually make master strength without much difficulty. I'm sure they look at posts like "should I study tactics or endgames" and think what an idiot, for starters you study them both for a few years each. Or they look at any opening topic and wonder why people don't take the time to develop "respectable" repertoires.
So that's the error you guys keep making. If they literally can't stop hanging multiple pieces after sufficient practice, then yes, they're likely handicapped... you seem to think you're bold or honest "calling it like it is" but it's unnecessary and rude either way you look at it.
Wow, alright. Apparently we both have very different views on how to treat other human beings, I suppose. I feel very sorry for you. I guess we're done here.
Don't feel sorry for me. I can use my brain to do simple arithmatic and not hang pieces like others less fortunate than me.
Concise. Perfect. You're definitely showing potential... I for one think you have what it takes.
I'm not missing the point, you're all acting like arrogant blowhards. It's a very simple concept.
Wow, and someone can't play a game without taking it seriously? Are you serious, Rose? Are you THAT disconnected from reality?
No i'm not THAT disconnected to reality is just that:
1) I don't see the point to doing comepetitive things "just for fun". I play to win. Winning is fun. Losers say they play for fun so that they don't have to face their lossess.
2) I find it incredibly hard to believe you just can't take 2 seconds to see if your pieces are hanging or not. If you can't do that, you don't have a chess problem, you are just plain retarded. Since you discredited another user based on their loss from a 1400, take it from me then. I have YET to lose in this site.
Look saying that you can't look after your pieces is the equivalent of saying you can't do basic math because you are too stupid to do so. Are you too stupid to do basic arithmatic? no? then why can't you just make sure that your pieces aren't hanging? It's either an incredible level of stupidity or an incredibile level of laziness. Both are bad. And if you really don't care then don't cry about it.
When people beat me, they outplayed. I don't lose games because I dropped a knight for free. IT must suck to constantly throw away games like that.
Being unable to use correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation is the equivalent of being unable to perform basic mathematical operations. Do you lack the intellect necessary for doing basic arithmetic? If you do not, then why can't you just make sure that your sentences don't contain grammatical mistakes, misspellings, punctuation errors, or incorrect capitalization? It's either an incredible lack of intelligence or an incredible lack of effort; both are pathetic. If you really don't care about standard English conventions, don't get upset when people insult you or question your intellectual capacity because of it.
When I lose a debate, it is due to a superior argument presented by an opponent. I never just concede by demonstrating an inability to properly communicate my thoughts; it must be terrible to constantly lose credibility by doing so.
I'm not missing the point, you're all acting like arrogant blowhards. It's a very simple concept.
Wow, and someone can't play a game without taking it seriously? Are you serious, Rose? Are you THAT disconnected from reality?
No i'm not THAT disconnected to reality is just that:
1) I don't see the point to doing comepetitive things "just for fun". I play to win. Winning is fun. Losers say they play for fun so that they don't have to face their lossess.
2) I find it incredibly hard to believe you just can't take 2 seconds to see if your pieces are hanging or not. If you can't do that, you don't have a chess problem, you are just plain retarded. Since you discredited another user based on their loss from a 1400, take it from me then. I have YET to lose in this site.
Look saying that you can't look after your pieces is the equivalent of saying you can't do basic math because you are too stupid to do so. Are you too stupid to do basic arithmatic? no? then why can't you just make sure that your pieces aren't hanging? It's either an incredible level of stupidity or an incredibile level of laziness. Both are bad. And if you really don't care then don't cry about it.
When people beat me, they outplayed. I don't lose games because I dropped a knight for free. IT must suck to constantly throw away games like that.
Being unable to use correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation is the equivalent of being unable to perform basic mathematical operations. Do you lack the intellect necessary for doing basic arithmetic? If you do not, then why can't you just make sure that your sentences don't contain grammatical mistakes, misspellings, punctuation errors, or incorrect capitalization? It's either an incredible lack of intelligence or an incredible lack of effort; both are pathetic. If you really don't care about standard English conventions, don't get upset when people insult you or question your intellectual capacity because of it.
When I lose a debate, it is due to a superior argument presented by an opponent. I never just concede by demonstrating an inability to properly communicate my thoughts; it must be terrible to constantly lose credibility by doing so.
+1
Great comment!
Well, the more skilled the player is the less often he drops pieces. When he gets stronger he drops a tempo or two, or he drops an important square. Or he drops a forced winning continuation in a position that appear as if it is a drawn position when it is not. Or he drops a stale mate combination or he drops a good defensive move in a difficult situation.
The point where a player never drops anything would be the point where he never lose a game even playing against the world champion or against the best computer software available...
You're right, all players make errors or inaccuracies, even if they're minor. But isn't the ability to stop dropping pieces within everyone's control? It's really just taking the time to do a spot check isn't it? Much like double checking your punctuation before turning in that important essay to your teacher, avoiding the most primative of errors is within everyone's control.
Some people are good at grammar. Some people are good at chess. Some are good at both. Some are good at neither. The trick is to learn how not to look down upon those that are not as good as you are at any given skill. As well to know what is important in life.
once in a game i was up a queen an blundered it accidentally by dropping the queen. even though i was 2 minor pieces up, i drew.
Well, the more skilled the player is the less often he drops pieces. When he gets stronger he drops a tempo or two, or he drops an important square. Or he drops a forced winning continuation in a position that appear as if it is a drawn position when it is not. Or he drops a stale mate combination or he drops a good defensive move in a difficult situation.
The point where a player never drops anything would be the point where he never lose a game even playing against the world champion or against the best computer software available...
You're right, all players make errors or inaccuracies, even if they're minor. But isn't the ability to stop dropping pieces within everyone's control? It's really just taking the time to do a spot check isn't it? Much like double checking your punctuation before turning in that important essay to your teacher, avoiding the most primative of errors is within everyone's control.
Some people are good at grammar. Some people are good at chess. Some are good at both. Some are good at neither. The trick is to learn how not to look down upon those that are not as good as you are at any given skill. As well to know what is important in life.
As I've said several times now, it has nothing to do with being good. I could teach someone the game of chess in an hour and a half, and if they care enough, they can trivially play one or more games immediately without leaving a single piece en prise.
As I've said several times now, it has nothing to do with being good. I could teach someone the game of chess in an hour and a half, and if they care enough, they can trivially play one or more games immediately without leaving a single piece en prise.
Hmm, I don't think this is as sure a thing as you seem to think it is. Absolute beginners can easily become confused and miss a hanging piece. Not only are there discovered attacks to remember but each time they move a piece they may un-defend something. Yes this is trivially simple to players like you and me, but maybe you're forgetting how hard it was in the very beginning.
Also in a real game there is more to worry about such as trying to actually win. If all they had to do was not hang a piece then I could train someone in 20 seconds to do that. 1.Nf3-g1 etc would do it nicely. It's all the other things going on that confuse matters.
Well, the more skilled the player is the less often he drops pieces. When he gets stronger he drops a tempo or two, or he drops an important square. Or he drops a forced winning continuation in a position that appear as if it is a drawn position when it is not. Or he drops a stale mate combination or he drops a good defensive move in a difficult situation.
The point where a player never drops anything would be the point where he never lose a game even playing against the world champion or against the best computer software available...
You're right, all players make errors or inaccuracies, even if they're minor. But isn't the ability to stop dropping pieces within everyone's control? It's really just taking the time to do a spot check isn't it? Much like double checking your punctuation before turning in that important essay to your teacher, avoiding the most primative of errors is within everyone's control.
Some people are good at grammar. Some people are good at chess. Some are good at both. Some are good at neither. The trick is to learn how not to look down upon those that are not as good as you are at any given skill. As well to know what is important in life.
As I've said several times now, it has nothing to do with being good. I could teach someone the game of chess in an hour and a half, and if they care enough, they can trivially play one or more games immediately without leaving a single piece en prise.
Pure ignorance. You are projecting your own bias by saying "if they care enough"... That is like saying if one care's enough, they could be Einstein, or be an astronaut, or whatever. There are factors beyond any individual's control, and one of them is the sheer brainpower to compete with intellectuals such as yourself.
Well, the more skilled the player is the less often he drops pieces. When he gets stronger he drops a tempo or two, or he drops an important square. Or he drops a forced winning continuation in a position that appear as if it is a drawn position when it is not. Or he drops a stale mate combination or he drops a good defensive move in a difficult situation.
The point where a player never drops anything would be the point where he never lose a game even playing against the world champion or against the best computer software available...
You're right, all players make errors or inaccuracies, even if they're minor. But isn't the ability to stop dropping pieces within everyone's control? It's really just taking the time to do a spot check isn't it? Much like double checking your punctuation before turning in that important essay to your teacher, avoiding the most primative of errors is within everyone's control.
Some people are good at grammar. Some people are good at chess. Some are good at both. Some are good at neither. The trick is to learn how not to look down upon those that are not as good as you are at any given skill. As well to know what is important in life.
As I've said several times now, it has nothing to do with being good. I could teach someone the game of chess in an hour and a half, and if they care enough, they can trivially play one or more games immediately without leaving a single piece en prise.
Pure ignorance. You are projecting your own bias by saying "if they care enough"... That is like saying if one care's enough, they could be Einstein, or be an astronaut, or whatever. There are factors beyond any individual's control, and one of them is the sheer brainpower to compete with intellectuals such as yourself.
Clearly being an astronaut or being Einstein are on the same level in their relative fields as it is to play a game of chess without making a move that accidentally lets your opponent capture a piece on their next move without being recaptured.
Seriously, do you guys actually think it's rocket science to look at a maximum of 16 pieces and check if any of them are being attacked at all, and then if they are, making sure you defend them if possible?
Clearly being an astronaut or being Einstein are on the same level in their relative fields as it is to play a game of chess without making a move that accidentally lets your opponent capture a piece on their next move without being recaptured.
Seriously, do you guys actually think it's rocket science to look at a maximum of 16 pieces and check if any of them are being attacked at all, and then if they are, making sure you defend them if possible?
I'm pretty sure that to not hang pieces it requires you to look at most 32 pieces... I've actually played "dark chess" variant on it'syourturn.com where you only see your pieces (and the squares they influence) but despite staring at all my 16 men I had a lot of trouble not hanging pieces
On a more serious note, your reasoning is not terrible, but you would be a horrible teacher. Please never attempt to teach chess to someone, you grossly misunderstand their situation and you wouldn't be effective in the least.
Clearly being an astronaut or being Einstein are on the same level in their relative fields as it is to play a game of chess without making a move that accidentally lets your opponent capture a piece on their next move without being recaptured.
Seriously, do you guys actually think it's rocket science to look at a maximum of 16 pieces and check if any of them are being attacked at all, and then if they are, making sure you defend them if possible?
I'm pretty sure that to not hang pieces it requires you to look at most 32 pieces... I've actually played "dark chess" variant on it'syourturn.com where you only see your pieces (and the squares they influence) but despite staring at all my 16 men I had a lot of trouble not hanging pieces
On a more serious note, your reasoning is not terrible, but you would be a horrible teacher. Please never attempt to cheat chess to someone, you grossly misunderstand their situation and you wouldn't be effective in the least.
I appreciate your feedback. Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I do. But I happen to be both a math teacher and the founder of a school chess club where I teach students the game of chess.
Well damn, you're pretty tricky then... coming on here like "they're idiots (or lazy) if they hang pieces even if it's their first day" but I'm sure with your students you're a bit more... diplomatic.
Well damn, you're pretty tricky then... coming on here like "they're idiots (or lazy) if they hang pieces even if it's their first day" but I'm sure when your students you're a bit more... diplomatic.
If my students are there to have fun and relax after school, then they can enjoy doing whatever they want.
If they're there to learn and improve their chess, then I expect them not to hang pieces after 2 or 3 sessions, as long as they have more than 5 minutes left on their clock.
Rose- Are you saying you have never hung a peice? You seem to be amazingly confident, and I'm wondering if there was ever a time that you weren't a god among men.
Cerven- He is repeating his argument because you keep missing it.
my $0.02.