Prove Me Wrong: The Sicilian Defense is a Boring Opening

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rychessmaster1
Justs99171 wrote:
royalknight101 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:

Not boring but not worth it 

well its worth it if your like magnus carlsen or elite level skill

 

As white, it's nearly impossible for a club level amateur to be prepared for every single open Sicilian.

As black, you won't get to play the open Sicilian nearly enough.

That is why I neither play e4 as white or c5 as black tongue.png

ChessLebaneseSalah

Sicilian is not boring at all. If you think sicilian is boring, then any other opening will seem boring to you.

Of course Sicilian has way too much theory for most people's liking, but if you put time and effort you'll see how exciting it is

And BTW I don't see why Caro,French or 1...e5, Pirc, Scandi,etc... would be less boring, they all are positional in most cases, and attacking chess can happen from any opening

NikkiLikeChikki

It's true. Even the London System can be exciting, hard as it is to believe. Wesley vs. Tari, no castling madness.

 

 

 

ricorat
MaskedNuisance wrote:

Pretty much the title says it all. I've been seeing all these books saying that the Sicilian Defense is really exciting and dynamic, however from my personal experience the Sicilian leads to EXTREMELY dull positions. I'm probably playing the wrong lines of the Sicilian as white, but every time I play 1.e4 and am met with 1...c5 I let out a slight groan, "ugh not again! this is why I play e4 to get these exciting games and not positional manuve ring like the positions that result in the QGD, (and besides I always play the QGA and almost immediately follow up with 3...c5, the Gunsberg Defense, which seems to have served me well.). So back to the Sicilian, my question is why do the books praise it as "leading to exciting and unbalanced positions" from what I can tell is that Black locks in his dark-squared bishop early and sometimes follows up with e5, blocking the fienchetto diagonal. 

Here's the perfect example of a Sicilian game becoming a very standoffish and dull match:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/286667617633610

Does anyone else find the Sicilian to be a non-aggressive and boring opening?

Haha the Sicilian can lead to very dynamic and fun games.........If played correctly. That's the problem, no beginner understands it very well. They just say "all the top GM's play it so that means it's good". You have to have to memorize lots of theory and know the strategic plans and no beginner does that, which makes the games a bit boring

MaskedNuisance
ricorat wrote:
MaskedNuisance wrote:

Pretty much the title says it all. I've been seeing all these books saying that the Sicilian Defense is really exciting and dynamic, however from my personal experience the Sicilian leads to EXTREMELY dull positions. I'm probably playing the wrong lines of the Sicilian as white, but every time I play 1.e4 and am met with 1...c5 I let out a slight groan, "ugh not again! this is why I play e4 to get these exciting games and not positional manuve ring like the positions that result in the QGD, (and besides I always play the QGA and almost immediately follow up with 3...c5, the Gunsberg Defense, which seems to have served me well.). So back to the Sicilian, my question is why do the books praise it as "leading to exciting and unbalanced positions" from what I can tell is that Black locks in his dark-squared bishop early and sometimes follows up with e5, blocking the fienchetto diagonal. 

Here's the perfect example of a Sicilian game becoming a very standoffish and dull match:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/286667617633610

Does anyone else find the Sicilian to be a non-aggressive and boring opening?

Haha the Sicilian can lead to very dynamic and fun games.........If played correctly. That's the problem, no beginner understands it very well. They just say "all the top GM's play it so that means it's good". You have to have to memorize lots of theory and know the strategic plans and no beginner does that, which makes the games a bit boring

I feel as though my example game provides a good explanation as to why I don't like the SIcilian Defense

harrytipper3

Any opening is boring if you play boring chess. Examples;

-Alapin against the Sicilain

-French Defense exchange

-Ruy Lopez; Berlin defense

-Any opening involving the Caro Kann

In the first two cases white is choosing to make the game boring, in the latter two black is choosing to make the game boring. 

If depends on your own moves and choices, not the opening. 

Solmyr1234
ThrillerFan wrote:

 

No opening can be stereotyped as dull or dynamic.  You cannot FORCE dynamic, and you cannot FORCE dull!  No matter what opening you play, you will get both dynamic and dull positions.

I wanted to argue, but am forced to agree, because of This:

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I turned the Berlin into the MOST AGGRESSIVE GAMBIT EVER and CRUSHED Stockfish with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH-drpvi35g

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The Berlin is, objectively, the 'borest'.

Solmyr1234
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

It's true. Even the London System can be exciting, hard as it is to believe. Wesley vs. Tari, no castling madness.

 

 

 

Amazing! Finally.

sndeww
harrytipper3 wrote:

Any opening is boring if you play boring chess. Examples;

-Alapin against the Sicilain

-French Defense exchange

-Ruy Lopez; Berlin defense

-Any opening involving the Caro Kann

In the first two cases white is choosing to make the game boring, in the latter two black is choosing to make the game boring. 

If depends on your own moves and choices, not the opening. 

“Any opening involving the caro kann”

LOL

ricorat
harrytipper3 wrote:

Any opening is boring if you play boring chess. Examples;

-Alapin against the Sicilain

-French Defense exchange

-Ruy Lopez; Berlin defense

-Any opening involving the Caro Kann

In the first two cases white is choosing to make the game boring, in the latter two black is choosing to make the game boring. 

If depends on your own moves and choices, not the opening. 

I wouldn't call the caro boring. It's just solid

Solmyr1234
Solmyr1234 wrote:

If you want an even sharper game, try the Polerio Defense [as Black, not as White].

Sicilian is boring only if Kramnik var. is played.

I used to play the Kan var. of Sicilian - nothing more interesting then seeing opponent struggles to find a helipad for his horses. but White stopped being some kind of sucker, and now plays the Closed Sicilian, which I have hard time facing, so I play French. If you think he'll play Open Sicilian, playing Pin var. is option - ruining his pawn str. and play for winning endgame is very interesting.

BTW. A nice way to jump into the Open Sicilian [as Black] is the following:

 

You [Black] play The French, White tries to play a sideline - Nf3. Black enters to Open Sicilian Kan/Paulsen/Taimanov. (- avoiding letting White have fun with the Closed Sicilian / Morra / Alapin)

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Trust me, the Kan is super fun for Black. (as mentioned - White's horses have no easy helipad) well-worth learning.

jaro488

Ew this has become a conversation actually about the Sicilian gross

Pulpofeira

OP: you are wrong. Prove me wrong.

jaro488

blueemu

What ever happened to "water closet"? Did that go out with Queen Victoria?

DreamscapeHorizons

What about crapper? Sh_tter and john too. I never understood calling a toilet a john. 

Pulpofeira
blueemu escribió:

What ever happened to "water closet"? Did that go out with Queen Victoria?

They still call it váter (hispanization of water) here.

sndeww
blueemu wrote:

What ever happened to "water closet"? Did that go out with Queen Victoria?

That is indeed Victoria’s Secret 

ChessLebaneseSalah

alright unfollowing and I encourage others do too with the small button in the right corner, this discussion is getting useless

MaskedNuisance
ShouldBeABreeze wrote:

I 100% agree super boring opening

yup