'Psychologic' - amazing chess variant


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If he says 'no' then you have to take back your move and make another move. If you don't have another move (legal and different from the one you've made previously) then you lose.
My understanding of this is that you would only lose in that scenario if you are in check (de facto checkmate). If you are not in check and your only legal move was turned down, surely that is draw by de facto stalemate?
Wow... this sounds so similar to the game that my 4 year nephew invented. If you are about to win, he can say no. But, if he is about to win, he will say yes. So similar!

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If he says 'no' then you have to take back your move and make another move. If you don't have another move (legal and different from the one you've made previously) then you lose.
My understanding of this is that you would only lose in that scenario if you are in check (de facto checkmate). If you are not in check and your only legal move was turned down, surely that is draw by de facto stalemate?
It is a loss if you have only one move and it was rejected. However it is a draw if you have zero moves (stalemate).

Must be different rules from the version I learned. It seems odd to me that you can lose without being in check.

I think that variants like these - where you add a small, simple rule, make for the best chess variants, not the complicated things that some people are trying to do, like "game-developer", who dedicated an entire thread to nothing.
All the successful/good variants are like this - one simple rule added to chess.

Must be different rules from the version I learned. It seems odd to me that you can lose without being in check.
It seems to be at the center of the game- option to say 'no' to the opponent's move. If you can't change the move after it was rejected by the opponent - it is a loss.

Wow... this sounds so similar to the game that my 4 year nephew invented. If you are about to win, he can say no. But, if he is about to win, he will say yes. So similar!
Good one man
This is an old variant, and a good one. It has always been known as "Refusal Chess" and was invented in 1958 by Fred Galvin.

We tried it out and didn't play one game of normal chess the whole evening. This is an amazing variant. My strategy for the evening was probably flawed but I was constantly working with setting up 2 tactics and not always playing the strongest move but superficially the most annoying. It was a lot of fun. Especially when one of us said no and realized it was the wrong decision. Of course , we trash talked a little as well. Thanks, I can only recommend to try it out !

You're right Vlad. I guess I'm just "old school" when it comes to chess and too set in my ways.
Stupid was the wrong word to use. I would like to retract that word and use the word "different" instead.

We tried it out and didn't play one game of normal chess the whole evening. This is an amazing variant. My strategy for the evening was probably flawed but I was constantly working with setting up 2 tactics and not always playing the strongest move but superficially the most annoying. It was a lot of fun. Especially when one of us said no and realized it was the wrong decision. Of course , we trash talked a little as well. Thanks, I can only recommend to try it out !
Thanks, I too remember this variant was a lot of fun. I played it for several days with my friend and even preferred it over ordinary chess and started to think that now I have some experience playing it. Then we invited a GM to play this variant. I must say that within only minutes of playing it the GM was playing it far better than any of us.

Must be different rules from the version I learned. It seems odd to me that you can lose without being in check.
It seems to be at the center of the game- option to say 'no' to the opponent's move. If you can't change the move after it was rejected by the opponent - it is a loss.
Actually in the variant I learned the single move could be rejected - and the game was won by the side who rejected the move . So on the diagram I posted Qg7+ was going to win(if it was not rejected) - since the only move Kg7 would be rejected.
I read an article on 'Refusal chess' and initially thought it was the same, but the article added that in case of single move it could not be rejected. So Refusal chess is very similar to the variant I described with this significant difference that the only-move cannot be rejected. I guess it changes quite a bit.

We tried it out and didn't play one game of normal chess the whole evening. This is an amazing variant. My strategy for the evening was probably flawed but I was constantly working with setting up 2 tactics and not always playing the strongest move but superficially the most annoying. It was a lot of fun. Especially when one of us said no and realized it was the wrong decision. Of course , we trash talked a little as well. Thanks, I can only recommend to try it out !
Thanks, I too remember this variant was a lot of fun. I played it for several days with my friend and even preferred it over ordinary chess and started to think that now I have some experience playing it. Then we invited a GM to play this variant. I must say that within only minutes of playing it the GM was playing it far better than any of us.
Yes, grandmasters are tough.
I used to play with one, once a week, all night, at his chess club, for 3 months.
I would buy dinner and drinks and we would play, not just chess, other versions as well.
He was also seriously into backgammon, not really my game, never played that with him.
And basically any board game he would try...

Must be different rules from the version I learned. It seems odd to me that you can lose without being in check.
It seems to be at the center of the game- option to say 'no' to the opponent's move. If you can't change the move after it was rejected by the opponent - it is a loss.
Actually in the variant I learned the single move could be rejected - and the game was won by the side who rejected the move . So on the diagram I posted Qg7+ was going to win(if it was not rejected) - since the only move Kg7 would be rejected.
I read an article on 'Refusal chess' and initially thought it was the same, but the article added that in case of single move it could not be rejected. So Refusal chess is very similar to the variant I described with this significant difference that the only-move cannot be rejected. I guess it changes quite a bit.
http://www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/refusal.html
On top of that one has Compromise chess:
http://www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/compromise.html
I don't understand the name Psychologic for this variant of this variant. It is not more or less psychologic than any other variant.

Must be different rules from the version I learned. It seems odd to me that you can lose without being in check.
It seems to be at the center of the game- option to say 'no' to the opponent's move. If you can't change the move after it was rejected by the opponent - it is a loss.
Actually in the variant I learned the single move could be rejected - and the game was won by the side who rejected the move . So on the diagram I posted Qg7+ was going to win(if it was not rejected) - since the only move Kg7 would be rejected.
I read an article on 'Refusal chess' and initially thought it was the same, but the article added that in case of single move it could not be rejected. So Refusal chess is very similar to the variant I described with this significant difference that the only-move cannot be rejected. I guess it changes quite a bit.
http://www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/refusal.html
On top of that one has Compromise chess:
http://www.chessvariants.com/other.dir/compromise.html
I don't understand the name Psychologic for this variant of this variant. It is not more or less psychologic than any other variant.
Neither do I but the person who introduced me to that variant called it that way and I don't feel that renaming it now would be right.

So, how do you Checkmate if Checkmate can be said "no" to?
Oh, there has to be two ways to mate, does there?

There are three ways to win:
1. You have two checkmates , you make one, if it gets rejected , you make another.
2. You make a move(and it was accepted) that is not a checkmate by ordinary chess rules but one that leaves your opponent with single response. He has to play that single response and you reject it. Since your opponent doesn't have any other move to make, you win.
3.Your opponent resignes.