Purposefully dragging a game out in a drawn position

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gertgybels
Indoda schreef:

The fact is I'm 64 years old, recently retired and getting back into chess after a long long absence.  The last time I played competitively was when I was 19, and stopped with a USCF rating around 1900.  But you're right, my account may not be around very long because I'll likely be seeking something different... a fun and friendly platform, without the likes of you.


Common, be honest now because you have given so many pointers.

Let's start with the biggest one:

- You played competitively yet you come here saying "I don't know chess etiquette but...." Strange for someone that played competition. Don't you think so?
- USCF rating, Belgians/Europeans don't mention USCF rating but FIDE ... There are reasons you might do so but I'm not telling you them.
- If you're 64 ...Be genuine, more are using nicknames but often also mention their real name and location. You don't. Still plausible, just strange to me. If I was to make an account on PornHub I would like to stay anonymous but on a chess site? Common.
- Since your from Belgium I asked if you speak Dutch or French.You didn't answer that. Not proof but odd. So I'm guessing with an Indian name you're not from Belgium. I still could be wrong, just a hunch.
Still you could reply with "Gert, I don't speak either I'm an immigrant" but then again who immigrates at age 64. Possible, not many do and specially not as an retiremnt resort. Belgium is a very nice country but still I would choose some different locations. 
- You speak / talk very well English, I don't know many 64 old in Belgian that are so fluent in typing. I'm an internet product and learned English myself but still after many years my grammar has many flaws.
- Someone 64y old and played competitive should not spam a draw, you should know that and act more mature.
- No you are not winning, but ending in a draw like you suggested against a CM isn't loosing badly either.

"I'll likely be seeking something different... a fun and friendly platform, without the likes of you." Second time you mentioned that. It gives me the impression, since you just had 1 somewhat bad encounter with a fairly new account, that you had a previous account. Got salty about something and made a new 'fake' account.

- and more but safe them for later ;-)

Again, I still could be wrong but I think that's the "experience" is what IMBacon is talking about.
There are just to many gaps and contradictions.

If not, my sincere apologies and wish you all the best on other platforms. Just a warning, you will run into the same issues elsewhere. Specially with that attitude. Let's say it's my "experience" on other platforms.

gertgybels

And since you liked to get into discussion in private and don't mind posting themself when you started this thread.

Your message to me:
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My name is Norman Schmidt...I've lived in Belgium for 30 years, my wife is from Bruges and we have 3 adult kids (all born in Bruges).

I'm the author of Fire chess engine, and prefer to keep my online chess-playing identity private...which I'l surely entitled to do. Do you have a problem with that?

Creating one post in a forum is not 'spamming a draw'. It was a sincere request because I consider his message inappropriate and rude.

'turlijk kan ik heel goed Nederlands spreken en begrijpen, maar met veel fouten en ook en sterk accent...

I resent your insinuation that I'm not being truthful and most of all I resent your initial suggestion that I've been cheating. Your interrogation of me, and subsequent suggestions are rude and vindictive. I am not required to answer any of your questions and I'm am truly perplexed by your motive and insulted by your accusations in that forum. And you're telling me to grow up?

Klootzak
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Your welcome Norman. Time to learn Dutch after 30 years of being a resident in Belgium.
Proves how much of a douche you are.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/fire

For the part of my allegations, then I have been mistaken and man enough to apologise for that.

some corrections though and because of your private mssg tone:
- spamming draw in game, nothing to do with the forum.
- not sure where i mentioned blatently that you cheat but knowing you're behind the fire chess engine and anonymous.

But I was on a path by telling you're not native Belgian and something was off.

Yes his message was rude, if you like my confirmation on that. But I think many have reacted and it sure isn't the answer you've hoped for. To bad, suck it up and move on.

But about being rude... "klootzak (a**h*le)" you sure raised yourself to his level.
To me it looks like checkmate but if you like to go on a Philidor defense. Knock yourself out.

gertgybels

Another message from you:
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I am good friend of Erik, CEO of chess.com (having worked here for several years...I helped design and implemented https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship.  I'm angry enough at your vindictive accusations that I'm considering contacting him concerning your behavior toward me in a public forum.
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So power tripping huh? I'm sure Eric will support you in that. Harrassing / threatening for what? Some allegations?
You're sad and salty like I've sad. Now scoot!

Indoda

It's not power tripping, it's called reporting someone who arbitrarily accuses another of lying and cheating for no reason.  That's despicable.

BIKERJ0HN

Your opponent surely suffers from  poor sportsmanship and "anger issues". His understanding about chess etiquette is confused. On the other hand YOU may have been a bit of a "nag" -persistently offering the draw by agreement. There are rules in chess with regard to games drawn by adjudication. Perhaps, going forward you should seek that way to complete the game.

Indoda

Agreed, my bad...I was ignorant in that respect and offered him a draw 3 times.

Tomeinheber

Yeah keep us enlihhyened

JasonColesTech

Play it out!

Tomeinheber

I dont know exactly what i think

JasonColesTech

Only you can know "what you think."

drmrboss
LionT147 wrote:

I dont know exactly what i think

Bro, if you dont know, search in google or dictionary!!

 [play out something] to continue to play a sport until the end of a particular period

drmrboss
DominatrixCherry wrote:

Play it out!

You are very smart! You just summarize in three words wherase most people use three paragraphs to explain. happy.png

Numquam

These cheating accusations are just stupid.

So we got someone living in Belgium with a USCF rating who speaks English well. What does that mean Sherlock? The person is most likely an american who immigrated to Belgium. There is like nothing suspicious about that. 

Personally I try to use my real name as little as possible on the internet, because you have no control over the internet and stuff can stay on the internet forever. I am more cautious than your average person. In general Dutch care more about privacy than for example Americans.

The CM had the better chances throughout the whole game and he missed at least one big chance to get a possibly winning advantage. I can point out several moves of Indoda which are inaccurate or mistakes. Indoda could still have used an engine to check some moves, but is that likely? No, this game proves nothing.

drmrboss

1. O.P closed the account!!

2. CM won the game.

3. It is over!!

MiketheSRANK
This sounds like you’re nagging to your opponent, he’s not breaking any rules so just play it out. It’s basically asking someone to give up, they don’t have to.
-Demon-
Numquam wrote:

These cheating accusations are just stupid.

So we got someone living in Belgium with a USCF rating who speaks English well. What does that mean Sherlock? The person is most likely an american who immigrated to Belgium. There is like nothing suspicious about that. 

Personally I try to use my real name as little as possible on the internet, because you have no control over the internet and stuff can stay on the internet forever. I am more cautious than your average person. In general Dutch care more about privacy than for example Americans.

The CM had the better chances throughout the whole game and he missed at least one big chance to get a possibly winning advantage. I can point out several moves of Indoda which are inaccurate or mistakes. Indoda could still have used an engine to check some moves, but is that likely? No, this game proves nothing.

Agree completely...the insinuations are reprehensible, and then gertgybels follows it up with a line by line analysis suggesting that everything Indoda said was deceptive or a lie.  That kind of behavior should be met with temporary ban IMO.

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gertgybels
Numquam schreef:

These cheating accusations are just stupid.

.... What does that mean Sherlock?


As a Belgian I prefer Hercules Poirot ;-)
Well like @drmrnoss said, the endresult speaks for itself.

neverherebefore

Looks drawn to me

gertgybels
-Demon- schreef:

Agree completely...the insinuations are reprehensible, and then gertgybels follows it up with a line by line analysis suggesting that everything Indoda said was deceptive or a lie.  That kind of behavior should be met with temporary ban IMO.


Endresult is that I was right on many things, the way he started the post and who he finally (claims?) to be didn't add up or better formulated - proofed he wasn't genuine from the start. Fact.
My 'suggestive analysis' was so to the point it cause him to lash out to me in private and giving me his details which met pretty much with what I was saying.

Finally Indoda resigned the game and he closed his account. Credits to him for doing that. Sure he will start a new account, that's fine. 

He pointed a finger at CM for being rude just to do the same by himself to me (private message that I made public) and even to use a powertrip that he would cause repercussions by contacting his friend - Erik, CEO of Chess.com.

You think that's ok? And you say my behavior should be met with a temp ban? ;-)
Don't think that's going to happen. 

hikarunaku
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:
TheSultan31003 wrote:

It is usually the sign of a weak player to have to resort to such tactics in order to win a cheap game. 

There's an irony in there somewhere...

That's hilarious but not very polite.