Queens Gambit Rook Sacrifice

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DoctorStrange
Nekhemevich wrote:
Harish73 wrote:

but i told it in my style.

if it works for your game. thats good. Just saying that I would discuss the principles of the opening in question. Not saying the game wasn't good, but please discuss why creating an isolated queens pawn is benificial. I read this book called My System by Aron Nimzowitsch. Really interested in what you have to say Vegan.

I'll try that book!

Nekhemevich
ThinkVegan wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

Thanks for your concern, but I'm sure to find a few hundred thousand far better than you!

I would listen to players that are 400-500 points stronger than me, as should you. That's how you improve. If you can't appreciate any of the themes or attacking ideas I have highlighted, of which there are several, then that's fine, move along please.

maybe my rating isn't what it seems, and yes I think I will move along rather than waste my time further with your bigotry!

Nekhemevich

thanks! :)

ThinkVegan
Nekhemevich wrote:
ThinkVegan wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

Thanks for your concern, but I'm sure to find a few hundred thousand far better than you!

I would listen to players that are 400-500 points stronger than me, as should you. That's how you improve. If you can't appreciate any of the themes or attacking ideas I have highlighted, of which there are several, then that's fine, move along please.

maybe my rating isn't what it seems, and yes I think I will move along rather than waste my time further with your bigotry!

I am not being a bigot. Maybe I am too blunt by stating the obvious but I have tried to be as polite as possible, I mean no disrespect. Goodbye.

Nekhemevich

Ok, but my point is well founded. The IQP is viewed as a weakness, and that there is a great debate over strengths and weaknesses. Focus on that and you will find black could have defended much better. Not saying I'm a Master, but this IQP is a topic of contreversy. Karpov was known to view it as a strength, while others claim it is a weakness. My question is with the right defense, could black have utilized restraint to attack the pawn.

Nekhemevich

The idea is to freeze the isolated pawn in place before attacking it.

ThinkVegan
Nekhemevich wrote:

Ok, but my point is well founded. The IQP is viewed as a weakness, and that there is a great debate over strengths and weaknesses. Focus on that and you will find black could have defended much better. Not saying I'm a Master, but this IQP is a topic of contreversy. Karpov was known to view it as a strength, while others claim it is a weakness. My question is with the right defense, could black have utilized restraint to attack the pawn.

Don't be afraid of having an IQP. It has its positives and its negatives. If there are plenty of pieces still on the board the IQP is not so weak because it is easy to defend. The more pieces that get swapped off the board the weaker it becomes. If you are going for an attack an IQP can be very useful. 

Nekhemevich
ThinkVegan wrote:
Nekhemevich wrote:

Ok, but my point is well founded. The IQP is viewed as a weakness, and that there is a great debate over strengths and weaknesses. Focus on that and you will find black could have defended much better. Not saying I'm a Master, but this IQP is a topic of contreversy. Karpov was known to view it as a strength, while others claim it is a weakness. My question is with the right defense, could black have utilized restraint to attack the pawn.

Don't be afraid of having an IQP. It has its positives and its negatives. If there are plenty of pieces still on the board the IQP is not so weak because it is easy to defend. The more pieces that get swapped off the board the weaker it becomes. If you are going for an attack an IQP can be very useful. 

+1. Now we are getting to the root of this opening principle. It's a very difficult subject. Nimzowitsch states that said pawn must be hunted down like a criminal and executed. It's a very tough subject. Karpov is the master at Isolated queen pawns. I think you are right in the respect that the IQP is to whites benifit, but there are players who can turn the IQP around and make it a liability that white cannot afford in blacks counter attack, because the IQP hems the game up. The trick is to learn the benifits of restraint for black, and the ways to use this pawn for attack. It's whats in front of the pawn that counts. Thank you Vegan, I appreciate your patience with my honest and abrasive personality. :)

ThinkVegan
Nekhemevich wrote:

+1. Now we are getting to the root of this opening principle. It's a very difficult subject. Nimzowitsch states that said pawn must be hunted down like a criminal and executed. It's a very tough subject. Karpov is the master at Isolated queen pawns. I think you are right in the respect that the IQP is to whites benifit, but there are players who can turn the IQP around and make it a liability that white cannot afford in blacks counter attack, because the IQP hems the game up. The trick is to learn the benifits of restraint for black, and the ways to use this pawn for attack. It's whats in front of the pawn that counts. Thank you Vegan, I appreciate your patience with my honest and abrasive personality. :)

Well in this particular game you can see black actually tried to hunt down my d4 pawn very aggressively with this ra7-rd7 maneuver, he couldn't touch it before then because I had bh7+ tactics leading to discovery. He would have actually won the pawn in time but my attack simply broke through first.

His knight on a5 couldn't put any pressure on d4 from c6 like it should have been, but he had to move it in order to push b5 and free his light squared bishop which was locked behind his pawn chain. 

I think at the end of the day had he simply played b6 and developed his bishop to b7 instead of d7 it would have been a lot easier to co-ordinate his rooks on the d-file to get at the IQP

Nekhemevich

well the knight jump to the a-file seems a little impulsive and questionable. Imagine that knight playing a role in a blockade of that pawn. This is all hypothetical, but so many defenders and so many attackers, the trick is to patiently develop a plan where all the pieces coordinate a restraint and then the pawn falls. It's all hypothetical, but ideally black could have made more use of these defensive elements of restraint. It was a 3 min blitz game and you did create a winning attack, however its a question as to whether black could defend ideally. The main thing tho, is to stop that pawn from advancing.

Nekhemevich

break it up into phases and you can see where black went wrong in this. He got sidetracked on the queenside with a faulty plan, but if he had been aware of the Nimzowitschian principles he could in all likely hood have held on. He also lost the initiative very early in the game, and this leads to a punishing attack on your part.

Nekhemevich

make that pawn a slave to its own exhistence, and punish it for every waking breath.

chesster3145

Here's my perspective:

The pawn itself is weak, but you get open lines for your pieces as compensation.

Nekhemevich
chesster3145 wrote:

Here's my perspective:

The pawn itself is weak, but you get open lines for your pieces as compensation.

practicing it will improve your positional understanding. The pawn as you describe is dynamic, meaning it has mobility, but if you can restrain it and lock it down you will be able to stunt the attacking capabilities surounding it. Its not so much weak but a liability, it is something the owner of needs to compensate for. But here's an idea, imagine black in this game playing more solid and less risky. :)

Nekhemevich

less risky meaning to utilize the minor pieces to slow the progress of whites attack. pawn moves excluded. ;)

arthurnes

and he sacrifices the rooooooook!!!