This is the dude's second post on this. Okay here's the deal. You can choose to resign in those positions. It's nice but it's a mistake. If you don't care about your rating that's cool. Some people would like to raise their rating or keep it from dropping so they get to use the rules and you can complain about it but it's just that. You complaining without any results and giving away free points because you haven't learned how to move fast enough. As has been stated many times, you can avoid this issue if you play longer games. When you choose to play a game, you agree to the time restrictions. It's not your opponents fault if you lose or draw on time. It's yours. Period.
Quitting chess if people don't show sportsmanship when defeated
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Oct 10, 2023
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#23
Why don’t you try to resign if in your words it’s just a few points? Don’t blame your opponent for trying to use chess theory, study the game and you’ll run into this problem less
Oct 10, 2023
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#24
BlackKang wrote:
Forcing a draw and resigning are both fine.
Whats not fine is abandoning games and wasting 5 minutes of the other persons time.
yeah that is the worst tbf.
Oct 10, 2023
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#25
I dunno if there seems to be a different definition of "Sportsmanship" around the world but harping on about "the rules of the game" is completely missing the point as sportsmanship is about occasionally overlooking the rules if something seems "unfair" to you morally.
In soccer, if a player kicks the ball out because of an injury, they are expected to throw it back to that team. They can by the rules throw it to their own team but they don't! You see my point now?
Just because you can does not mean you should.
Those of you trolling need to get a life, if you don't wanna chat about chess then move along please
Oct 10, 2023
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#26
endlessdecisionmaking wrote:
The gist of what you are saying is "if I am nice to everyone, everyone else should be nice to me too" which is a justifiable thing to ask, but you just simply can't hold expectations from people. The only thing that is set in stone are the rules of chess and this site, everything that a player resorts to falls under completely fair play as long he is adhering to the guidelines established.
Yes, you are 100% right, but I can still bleat on like a little lost lamb if I feel like it too lol
sorry but if you cant beat a lone king due to low time, then you dont deserve the win anyway lol, its not on your opponent to resign, its up to you to finish them off, if you cant, you dont deserve the win and your opponent has every right to play on until you beat him.
AussieMatey wrote:
Why didn't Bagpipe resign his 54 move game when he was a Rook down and even more for the last 25 moves? Most shocking case of bad sportsmanship I've ever seen!
oh you are are saying that he doesnt practice what he preaches
Bagpipe10 wrote:
I have never seen so many people miss the point at one time.
My point is not that you should just resign when you have pieces left. My point is that if you have had a good game and you lose the end game to your opponent and are left with your king on its own and they have a bit less time than you, don't just hop scotch around knowing that you are going to draw on time. It's really poor sportsmanship. Just concede and move on.
Going through my games to find examples of this is futile as I resign if I am beat. The only time I won't is when it is clear I will be checkmated soon anyway, like AussieMatey so kindly describes, in this case it is nice to let your opponent have the win by checkmate.
The general tone of the replies here describe the issue with some of the player base quite clearly.
"I am going to dig my heels in and stamp my feet because you beat me fair and square and I am actually angry that I was beat in the first place and due to my feelings of inadequacy I can't let you have the win" yet you call me the cry baby?
The cry babies are you lot that can't just be the bigger person and concede.
That sort of play is for tournaments when it actually matters. Stop dreaming like you are some sort of brilliant chess player, the fact you come here to talk down to people tells us all we need to know about your abilities both at chess and elsewhere in life.
No one missed your point, and everyone else is right.
yep many things many many things, ive played chess for about 40 years and ive seen it all, from 1800s abandoning games to having a queen to my opponents bishop and pawn only to be short on time, do i fault them for playing on, no its their right to play however they want, i was short on time so its my fault for thinking too long on how to defeat someone just to get a queens advantage. you have no right to force your values on to other players and expect them to play the way you do, i for instance never abandon games that are in my control (i think i have a 0.01 percent abandon ratio over 10000 rapid games) cuz i knw thats unsportsmanlike, what isnt unsportsmanlike, is seeing my opponent play to the bitter end, you need to learn what sportsmanship truly is before accusing others of having none themselves, and maybe if you cant see that, maybe it is time to quit.
Oct 11, 2023
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#32
40 years? So rating doesn't reflect experience all the time then I take it? 
Maybe you have a point, partly. Maybe I am displaying poor sportsmanship. I will consider this and the other points articulated in this thread.
Maybe we both have points to be considered and there is no one answer fits all solution. Who can say?
Why you and others feel you have to vehemently attack me like a flock of frothing at the mouth seagulls, however, is quite disturbing.
I will point out that what I am doing in challenging a type of mentality is not the same as attacking one person directly, before anybody suggests again that I am not practicing what I preach.
Oct 11, 2023
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#33
You don't need to quit chess. What you have to realize is that the game is not over just because of what is obvious on the board. You may have won more material or what have you, but the opposing player will play for a draw if in a losing position. That's just the nature of the game. Part of it is you have to finish off your opponent with the material and TIME that you have. If you can't do that, then it's really on you. I've had games where I was down 10+ points of material but my opponent had less than 30 seconds left to finish me off where I maybe had a couple of minutes to shuffle around safely. I'm not going to resign if I feel I can draw the game and I would never fault my opponent for doing the same. As I said, if you are winning on the board materially, positionally etc, then the onus is on you to finish of your opponent. It may be that time is the only resource he has left to use against you and in chess it IS absolutely a resource. Especially in a losing position.
You'll have to accept that that's part of the beast of chess. And I hope you do. The game becomes much more fun that way.
Anyway, you wanted a mature, well thought out response and I gave the best one I could. Best of luck to you in your chess endeavors.
Oct 11, 2023
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#34
BigFoxy90 wrote:
You don't need to quit chess. What you have to realize is that the game is not over just because of what is obvious on the board. You may have won more material or what have you, but the opposing player will play for a draw if in a losing position. That's just the nature of the game. Part of it is you have to finish off your opponent with the material and TIME that you have. If you can't do that, then it's really on you. I've had games where I was down 10+ points of material but my opponent had less than 30 seconds left to finish me off where I maybe had a couple of minutes to shuffle around safely. I'm not going to resign if I feel I can draw the game and I would never fault my opponent for doing the same. As I said, if you are winning on the board materially, positionally etc, then the onus is on you to finish of your opponent. It may be that time is the only resource he has left to use against you and in chess it IS absolutely a resource. Especially in a losing position.
You'll have to accept that that's part of the beast of chess. And I hope you do. The game becomes much more fun that way.
Anyway, you wanted a mature, well thought out response and I gave the best one I could. Best of luck to you in your chess endeavors.
You can never know how much I appreciate this!
Oct 11, 2023
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#35
I mean this has to be the lowest low I've now encountered.
Abandoning instead of resigning over losing a knight:
https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/90768588867?tab=analysis
I mean if you don't even know how to play against a basic queens gambit player like me, why even bother playing chess? I still make a lot of mistakes and would likely have still lost the game lol.
Bagpipe10 wrote:
The people who do this probably won't even read this or even visit the forums because I get the feeling they are the worst, most antisocial people out there.
What I am referring to is forcing a draw by inadequate material when they are down to a lone king and you have beat them fair and square after a long slog but your clock is running down.
When I read this, I took a look at your grade and found what I expected. Personally I experienced the same reaction as you and didn't like it when people wouldn't at least offer a draw if they were going to win on time after being completely outplayed. However, I then realised that's what blitz is all about. I would never use pre-moves, which I consider to be tantamount to cheating, so I just accept defeat and similarly, take the win on time even in a totally lost position. That's the game here. You wouldn't do it in your local club but that's how it's played here.
Just resign. It's not the grandmasters and you will only lose a couple of points off your rating so what is with people being so unsportsmanlike?
I guess I feel offended by this behaviour because I resign, even though I don't wish to, when I am beat. Just move on to another game and don't be such a baby.
I always imagined chess to be a sport above that sort of behaviour but seems it is turning into the same thing you would expect to see on some shoot 'em up game.
You know who you are, hang your head in shame if the hat fits.
It's legitimate here if you agree to play at a specified rate of play.
Oct 11, 2023
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#37
Bagpipe10 wrote:
The people who do this probably won't even read this or even visit the forums because I get the feeling they are the worst, most antisocial people out there.
What I am referring to is forcing a draw by inadequate material when they are down to a lone king and you have beat them fair and square after a long slog but your clock is running down.
Just resign. It's not the grandmasters and you will only lose a couple of points off your rating so what is with people being so unsportsmanlike?
I guess I feel offended by this behaviour because I resign, even though I don't wish to, when I am beat. Just move on to another game and don't be such a baby.
I always imagined chess to be a sport above that sort of behaviour but seems it is turning into the same thing you would expect to see on some shoot 'em up game.
You know who you are, hang your head in shame if the hat fits.
Let me get this straight. Are you angry that you can't convert a winning advantage into victory? Sounds like a you problem.
When you play a game of chess you are implicitly promising to do your best and to obey the rules. Resigning when you could have drawn is not "doing your best." Giving away a half-point by resigning when you had a sure draw by insufficient material is not "doing your best"
Bagpipe10 wrote:
The people who do this probably won't even read this or even visit the forums because I get the feeling they are the worst, most antisocial people out there.
What I am referring to is forcing a draw by inadequate material when they are down to a lone king and you have beat them fair and square after a long slog but your clock is running down.
Just resign. It's not the grandmasters and you will only lose a couple of points off your rating so what is with people being so unsportsmanlike?
I guess I feel offended by this behaviour because I resign, even though I don't wish to, when I am beat. Just move on to another game and don't be such a baby.
I always imagined chess to be a sport above that sort of behaviour but seems it is turning into the same thing you would expect to see on some shoot 'em up game.
You know who you are, hang your head in shame if the hat fits.
I won't repeat what others said but, If you play Rapid 10/0 , play 15/10 instead, Rapid 10 used to be blitz, it's silly playing without any increment and only 10 minutes when you are new to the game, as the game is often decided by who played marginally faster, rather than who played better.
Oct 11, 2023
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Bagpipe10 wrote:
The people who do this probably won't even read this or even visit the forums because I get the feeling they are the worst, most antisocial people out there.
What I am referring to is forcing a draw by inadequate material when they are down to a lone king and you have beat them fair and square after a long slog but your clock is running down.
Just resign. It's not the grandmasters and you will only lose a couple of points off your rating so what is with people being so unsportsmanlike?
I guess I feel offended by this behaviour because I resign, even though I don't wish to, when I am beat. Just move on to another game and don't be such a baby.
I always imagined chess to be a sport above that sort of behaviour but seems it is turning into the same thing you would expect to see on some shoot 'em up game.
You know who you are, hang your head in shame if the hat fits.
I’ve made fifteen moves in five seconds when opponents try to do this to me. I suggest that you hone your checkmate skills.
15 seconds is more than enough time to execute an elementary mate in two.
if you have had a good game and you lose the end game to your opponent and are left with your king on its own and they have a bit less time than you, don't just hop scotch around knowing that you are going to draw on time. It's really poor sportsmanship.
Just your opinion. Respect for the Rules of the game are all that one can demand from an opponent. According to the rules, the game is won by checkmate or by running out of time, period. Resigning may be considered a nice gesture by those who appreciate it, but no one is forced to do it. Indeed, one can take adavantage of the rules to achieve the goal.
You can think whatever you want, but the point is that you cannot impose your vision on others; and you cannot accuse someone of unsportsmanlike behavior ( and in such a contemptuous way ) because they do not follow your honor code, which is not part of the shared rules.
We are millions of players, with different ways of understanding chess. If you play with someone, you have to respect their idea of chess, even if you don't like it. Otherwise, found here an exclusive club reserved for those who share your idea.