"Faster" Time Controls

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ChrisWainscott

I play in two clubs, both of which run multi-week tournaments with one game each week. One is usually G/90 and the other is G/100. There are also a lot of one day events in my area on the weekends. These tend to be G/30 or G/45 events. So my question is what are most people's thoughts on the faster controls. Do you think that there is value in them? I mean value in terms of learning experience, not vlaue in terms of more for your money, etc. Thoughts?

waffllemaster

Sure they're valuable.  In a G/90 you'll likely be able to push yourself more than a G/30, but especially if you're just starting out what are you going to look at for so long in the G/90 game?  You'll likely end up either playing "too fast" for the time control or staling your moves for no reason because you know you're supposed to be taking your time.

Puchiko

Yes, but the OP is still a beginner. At the 1100 level, few players actually have something to think about for a longer period of time-after one hour, the game has probably been decided by a crude blunder.

ChrisWainscott

Ignore my rating on chess.com.  It's based on three games with an old friend whom I've been playing on here.

 

My USCF OTB rating is 1525.

Niko_11

Depends on how you play. Preparation comes handy in quicker games, while in the longer your actuall chess abiliity, i think.

Eniamar

my USCF rating is a measly 1120 or so. I've done a few tournaments recently at G/30 and I felt rushed every time. Actually, in most of those it was either decided by a blunder or by endgame blitz where in one memorable game I found a drawing line and held the half-point with 20 seconds vs. 7 minutes.

I've played G/75 as well and i feel like that is a pretty good control, it's enough time for me to think but not so much that i spend extra time per move simply because it's available.

I have no idea what thought processes other poor players like myself have, but when my opponent breaks out of my tiny bit of opening theory, I like to spend a good bit of time on each move to try and figure out the position and run through Silman's imbalances to guide my play. Also, if i get to an endgame, I'm wont to try and solve it as soon as possible and those calculations can be rather time consuming. Interestingly, in the 40/2 games I've played, they all tended to get over quicker than the faster time controls, perhaps because at my level that's far more time than is necessary. 

That being said, I personally don't feel like anything faster than G/30 is beneficial to my chess aside from some post-game analysis of tactics. I try to use quicker game and club games to improve different areas of understanding and for the 60-75 minute games I give my all and burn up the clock.

TL;DR version: G/30-45 is good for practice and semi-formal play, but I think a good game requires at least an hour for each side.

waffllemaster
ChrisWainscott wrote:

Ignore my rating on chess.com.  It's based on three games with an old friend whom I've been playing on here.

 

My USCF OTB rating is 1525.


Then IMO it just depends on if you're in improvement mode or playing in enjoyment mode.  If you still have a mind about improving then I definitely suggest the longer the time control the better.  Challenge all your moves, use all your time, push yourself to find the best moves you can.  The experience itself will make you stronger and the mistakes you find afterwards will be very useful to correct.

For example in G/30 you might simply blunder due to low time.  In this case you've neither pushed your ability to analyse nor is the mistake worth remembering because you actually knew better, it was just time pressure.

ChrisWainscott
After a lot of soul searching I believe that I am mostly done with the faster controls at this point. For the past few months I've gained 30-40 points in slower tournaments, then lost them all the next week at a faster tournament. It's time to get serious.
Shivsky

G/30 is now fast becoming an evolutionary standard for weekend single-day tournaments in many cities in the U.S. If you only play slow, you might have to travel or wait a few months for that big slow tourney to come along.

If you are expecting to grow in terms of USCF rating as opposed to chess on the whole, you'll start seeing faster results by training with this time control.   This unfortunately has diminishing returns after a certain level (B/A classes, perhaps?) where your lack of practice at grinding through forcing variations THOROUGHLY will bite you big time vs. stronger opposition.  This is where armchair handwaving (which is the only kind of chess I play these days) will start to appear useless against the tougher opponents.

Agree with the earlier posts ... practice online at  G/45 or above while you get more competent with your playing (analysis practice, learning more patterns /positions to improve your evaluation skills).  

Though once you cross a certain level of competency, the time control should not be a crutch because your time management skills should adapt accordingly and besides, your opponent is just as pressured as you are.

e.g. If you are 1800 at ssssssslow games and think you play like a 1500 at faster controls, guess what? Your opponent may have the same handicap.

TheOldReb

Isnt uscf now rating G/30 as both action and standard/classical chess ? 

Shivsky
Reb wrote:

Isnt uscf now rating G/30 as both action and standard/classical chess ? 


Yup. As a TD I happen to know that G/30 wins/losses goes towards your "slow game" rating. To quote the MSA section of their website:

Note:  Events with a time control of G/30 to G/60 will be rated
under both the Regular (R) and Quick Chess (Q) rating systems.
TheOldReb
Shivsky wrote:
Reb wrote:

Isnt uscf now rating G/30 as both action and standard/classical chess ? 


Yup. As a TD I happen to know that G/30 wins/losses goes towards your "slow game" rating.


That's why I don't play it anymore. 

ChrisWainscott
If I only play in the two clubs I play in that will still be roughly 75 or so G/90 games per year. Add to that a handful of weekend events and I'll easily be able to get 100 games a year. And I don't want to play faster than G/60 unless it's G/29 or less.
Shivsky
ChrisWainscott wrote:
If I only play in the two clubs I play in that will still be roughly 75 or so G/90 games per year. Add to that a handful of weekend events and I'll easily be able to get 100 games a year. And I don't want to play faster than G/60 unless it's G/29 or less.

If you have a spread like that to get you slow games on a weekly basis where you are , you're definitely lucky.

waffllemaster
Shivsky wrote:
Reb wrote:

Isnt uscf now rating G/30 as both action and standard/classical chess ? 


Yup. As a TD I happen to know that G/30 wins/losses goes towards your "slow game" rating. To quote the MSA section of their website:

 

Note: Events with a time control of G/30 to G/60 will be rated
under both the Regular (R) and Quick Chess (Q) rating systems.

This is sad.  You can't play a decent game in 30 minutes much less 60 minutes.

ChrisWainscott
Yeah, I feel really fortunate to have two quality clubs like this.
JamesCoons

When you play in 90-100 minute club games, you should make all your moves as if you were playing blitz, taking no more than 5 minutes on your clock. That way you get used to playing fast. Don't worry if you happen to lose as a result, you will at least get to go home early. Good luck in your next game.