Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?

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Amphionic
Ziryab wrote:
Amphionic wrote:
I think having a high IQ doesn’t make you good at chess. Practice and study does. I’ve an IQ of 156 but I’m dreadful at chess because I don’t read about it or study it or analyse games or take lessons etc. I think being obsessive about chess is more of an indicator of chess rating than IQ.


I have a feeling that most folks who post their IQ on social media are low wattage.

I’ve nothing to gain from lying to a bunch of chess nerds on a niche forum in a far away recess of the internet. 

Ziryab
Amphionic wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Amphionic wrote:
I think having a high IQ doesn’t make you good at chess. Practice and study does. I’ve an IQ of 156 but I’m dreadful at chess because I don’t read about it or study it or analyse games or take lessons etc. I think being obsessive about chess is more of an indicator of chess rating than IQ.


I have a feeling that most folks who post their IQ on social media are low wattage.

I’ve nothing to gain from lying to a bunch of chess nerds on a niche forum in a far away recess of the internet. 

 

Then why brag about a score on a test that has minimal relevance to anything?

I could tell you my IQ score, too. But I never asked for the result after the test. My ego was never invested in such things.

 

Amphionic
I’m not bragging. Not remotely. But I think one’s IQ score is somewhat germane to a conversation topic on the relationship between chess rating and IQ?
Terminator-T800

At the end of the day the more mindless you are the more your going to play bad. This game takes brain power    I wouldn't make it to GM because I know my IQ is not high enough compared to them brain boxes. I hope to get to 1600 rapid though one day soon. Amen Lord! Thank you. 

llama47

IQ is prohibitive on the low end but not sufficient on the high end. Maybe a good way to sum up potential in chess or anything else.

Ziryab
llama47 wrote:

IQ is prohibitive on the low end but not sufficient on the high end. Maybe a good way to sum up potential in chess or anything else.


True, to an extent. I’ve coached players with extremely low IQs—HS senior with the mental capacity of a second grader, for instance. They learn slowly, but in some cases do well enough to play at 1200+.

llama47
Ziryab wrote:
llama47 wrote:

IQ is prohibitive on the low end but not sufficient on the high end. Maybe a good way to sum up potential in chess or anything else.


True, to an extent. I’ve coached players with extremely low IQs—HS senior with the mental capacity of a second grader, for instance. They learn slowly, but in some cases do well enough to play at 1200+.

I've worked with a few people... I don't know whether it was genetic or a head injury, but that's how I'd describe it, that things come slowly. I imagine a skill like blunder checking is certainly possible, but it may take a few minutes on every move.

mpaetz

     Many factors contribute to top chess ability. IQ is one of them but not the most important. We've all heard how Fischer could replay all his moves in every game perfectly following a blitz tournament, or Kasparov could mention (post game analysis) how a position in the game was very similar to a game he had read about years earlier, or Morphy could set up a midgame position from a game he played 15 years earlier--there are many more such stories indicating that visual abilities and memory play a great part in chess talent. (Don't tell me how good blind players invalidate this point, "visualization" means "seeing" what things would be like in your mind should changes to the physical arrangement occur.)

     Naturally, if two people had near equality in other aspects of chess ability a big gap in IQs should favor the higher IQ player, but IQ itself is not the prime determinant. I've played chess for years and have seen people with high IQ become mediocre players (some have posted here admitting as much) and highly-rated players who have shown no special mental superiority in other areas.

Ziryab
mpaetz wrote:

     Many factors contribute to top chess ability. IQ is one of them but not the most important. We've all heard how Fischer could replay all his moves in every game perfectly following a blitz tournament, or Kasparov could mention (post game analysis) how a position in the game was very similar to a game he had read about years earlier, or Morphy could set up a midgame position from a game he played 15 years earlier--there are many more such stories indicating that visual abilities and memory play a great part in chess talent. (Don't tell me how good blind players invalidate this point, "visualization" means "seeing" what things would be like in your mind should changes to the physical arrangement occur.)

     Naturally, if two people had near equality in other aspects of chess ability a big gap in IQs should favor the higher IQ player, but IQ itself is not the prime determinant. I've played chess for years and have seen people with high IQ become mediocre players (some have posted here admitting as much) and highly-rated players who have shown no special mental superiority in other areas.


Chess involved some spatial understanding that IQ tests may not test well.

Xhive24

#GrindingPoints

They say that the better you are at chess the higher your IQ is supposed to be. As far as I'm concerned it just mainly helps for memorization, and making your brain work harder?

mpaetz

  Who are "they"?

ilicart-wordpress-com
llama47 wrote:
ilicart-wordpress-com wrote:
llama47 wrote:
ilicart-wordpress-com wrote:
Amphionic wrote:
I think having a high IQ doesn’t make you good at chess. Practice and study does. I’ve an IQ of 156 but I’m dreadful at chess because I don’t read about it or study it or analyse games or take lessons etc. I think being obsessive about chess is more of an indicator of chess rating than IQ.

That is my point. There is like a need for years of practice. Like with painting, you can have it all, but you will need years. I believe that I have IQ above 160. And I am not good at chess, because chess is not an IQ test.

You think anyone can be good regardless of IQ and you're estimating yourself at 160.

Both of these mean you lack experience, heh.

Actually I took that official test.

Oh, "that" test, of course. I apologize.

Who could forget the prestigious "that" test. One of the few that scores above 160.

Wait, re-reading your comment you say you "believe" you have an IQ above 160, but now you're saying you took a test. Which is it?

Maybe you took a test and don't remember the score or the name so you assume you're above 160 because... because you lack experience and didn't realize most tests don't even score that high... which is what I already said.

I am not obligated to show you certificates. I am assuming that there is no reasoning with you, so I will not. You, on the other hand believe that are smarter than everyone else here. Please show this to us. Demonstrate your superiority, please, with talents for memes and making up excuses for watching pornography all day long. The thing is, chess rating is a construct that you build from playing, and you are born with high IQ. Lot of factors are involved in how fast you develop in chess which are not connected with high IQ.

AlCzervik
StormCentre3 wrote:

Test the top 100 in any professional field and take a guess, a wild guess that their average IQ is significantly higher than norms-  you just might be right.

i'll take 'athletes' for $100, alex.

AlCzervik
SeniorPatzer wrote:
StormCentre3 wrote:

Test the top 100 in any professional field and take a guess, a wild guess that their average IQ is significantly higher than norms-  you just might be right.

 

Top 100 Washington D.C. politicians starting with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and all the way down to #100....  it would be very hard to believe that their average IQ is significantly higher than the norm, lol.

you can't help yourself. in every topic you have to tell everyone which side you are on and make  your political lean perfectly clear.

i gave you a group where it is allowed. you demurred. do not infest topics with your political bias.

nothing that you said is on topic. if you care to discuss politics, i can send another invite where you can tell all your extremist views. the only problem-for you-is that it is not a rally. yeah, we actually discuss things.

AlCzervik
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
StormCentre3 wrote:

Test the top 100 in any professional field and take a guess, a wild guess that their average IQ is significantly higher than norms-  you just might be right.

 

Top 100 Washington D.C. politicians starting with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and all the way down to #100....  it would be very hard to believe that their average IQ is significantly higher than the norm, lol.

100% facts

100%? i will send you an invite, too, where you can share your wisdom.

ilicart-wordpress-com

I am thinking now how aggression and violence is connected with high IQ including social adaptivity. Now here we all need to understand that high iq is one thing, and how brain is connected, including hormonal balance is another thing. Brain anatomy differs, as some people have brain regions that are more powerful than average, and vice-versa. But anxiety in high iq can trigger adrenaline rush that can lead to violence. Dolphin brain - hard wired high IQ, but what can they do? It is not advantage in contemporary society to have it, high iq that is, it is evolutionary disadvantage. But chess, chess is a board game, with tiny symbolic representation of male and female rulers, their armies and servants, as they move, their movement slowly leads to capturing the other king. We can talk and talk, and in the end we have billions combinations that we can play, and it is only a board game. It is a grid on which upon we can release tension, and wire into a perfect reptile. "Mom, when I grow up I wanna be a Reptilian." - "It will damage your reputation son." - "Well f**** you too, mom."

AlCzervik
Ziryab wrote:
Amphionic wrote:
I think having a high IQ doesn’t make you good at chess. Practice and study does. I’ve an IQ of 156 but I’m dreadful at chess because I don’t read about it or study it or analyse games or take lessons etc. I think being obsessive about chess is more of an indicator of chess rating than IQ.


I have a feeling that most folks who post their IQ on social media are low wattage.

i believe this to be true. i also think that many take the score they get with a grain of salt, so to speak. 

i have never known anyone that put their iq 'score' on their resume. 

SeniorPatzer
AlCzervik wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
StormCentre3 wrote:

Test the top 100 in any professional field and take a guess, a wild guess that their average IQ is significantly higher than norms-  you just might be right.

 

Top 100 Washington D.C. politicians starting with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and all the way down to #100....  it would be very hard to believe that their average IQ is significantly higher than the norm, lol.

you can't help yourself. in every topic you have to tell everyone which side you are on and make  your political lean perfectly clear.

i gave you a group where it is allowed. you demurred. do not infest topics with your political bias.

nothing that you said is on topic. if you care to discuss politics, i can send another invite where you can tell all your extremist views. the only problem-for you-is that it is not a rally. yeah, we actually discuss things.

 

If you could calculate a little bit, you'd be able to see that the top 100 politicians in D.C. would encompass multiple political persuasions.

poggopchamp
There’s no relationship!
Ziryab
SeniorPatzer wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
StormCentre3 wrote:

Test the top 100 in any professional field and take a guess, a wild guess that their average IQ is significantly higher than norms-  you just might be right.

 

Top 100 Washington D.C. politicians starting with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and all the way down to #100....  it would be very hard to believe that their average IQ is significantly higher than the norm, lol.

you can't help yourself. in every topic you have to tell everyone which side you are on and make  your political lean perfectly clear.

i gave you a group where it is allowed. you demurred. do not infest topics with your political bias.

nothing that you said is on topic. if you care to discuss politics, i can send another invite where you can tell all your extremist views. the only problem-for you-is that it is not a rally. yeah, we actually discuss things.

 

If you could calculate a little bit, you'd be able to see that the top 100 politicians in D.C. would encompass multiple political persuasions.

 

With some notable exceptions—Greene and Boebart—most representatives in Congress are above average intelligence. Significantly above the norm, however, might be a stretch. Based on personal conversations and long observations going back to the 1990s when she was a state representative, I’d say my own representative is somewhere near 105, which places her above the US average of 98. Most professionals in any field that consists mostly of college graduates would be above 110, it seems to me. The top leaders in the government, especially the current President and Vice President, appear to be 120+.