In the future, you'd better prepare yourself for a strict following of the rules when you make an error , and not only losing team would call it, but the other teams as well. 
rules are rules
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Dragec wrote:
In the future, you'd better prepare yourself for a strict following of the rules when you make an error , and not only losing team would call it, but the other teams as well.
that means I am only alloud to castle once in my games in the future. I really messed everything up. no seriously I have no problems following the rules.
But you do expect (I know I would) that people wouldn't split hairs in unimportant situations.
What you will face would probably be a obeying the law to the last letter, would it be the light conditions, a smallest noise from a department store nearby, etc ...
If there are arbiters present, you have no choice. However, make it clear the officials made this decision, not your club. You seem to actually support the decision of the arbiters.
It is really no discussion now, I wonder why you even brought it up.
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I think it should be no discussion but the foreman from the other club demand an apology now from our club and from the arbiter present.
I think it is fare out to demand an apology from an arbiter.
doing that is like saying you don't dare ever to make a decision against me.
I think he should be excluded from chess for doing so.
Again, my conclusion is that the particular group we have here needs some real problems. Demanding an apology? What the hell good will that do? Just play some damn chess like you were going to do in the first place.
bobbyDK wrote:
I think it should be no discussion but the foreman from the other club demand an apology now from our club and from the arbiter present.
I think it is fare out to demand an apology from an arbiter.
doing that is like saying you don't dare ever to make a decision against me.
I think he should be excluded from chess for doing so.
Put in a counter-claim for ... 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
To me, this sort of seems like a cheap and desperate way to snag wins, rather than the gentlemanly thing of playing it out.
Was there some objective reason for them being late ?
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Atos wrote:
Was there some objective reason for them being late ?
the reason they were late is that the tomtom gps told them to go to another city with the same streetname.
they told the foreman of their club that they were in the wrong city but did not bother to call us. we were sitting and waiting 30 minutes.
after 30 minutes the official declaired us winner.
after 40 minutes one called his father to pick him up. he is 20 but has a long walk hom.
after 55 minutes they are arrived. at the same time the father came to pick up one of our team members.
so playing on was impossible or the father had to drive again.
If the "official" declared your team the winner then that's that ! If a mistake was made or if there are any ill feelings then the "official" is responsible and is the one who should be held responsible for the decision, not any of the players. If the official was simply enforcing the rules ( as is his job ! ) then there is NO grounds for any complaints imo . For those here who havent played team chess you may not be aware that the team captain usually decides what's in the best interests of the team and the players act according to his instruction..... if they do not then they dont stay on the team very long......
echecs06 wrote:
Youuuuuuuuuu betcha! Though rules are also made to be broken...
They really shouldn't be though. I think like the law the rules should be respected. For example if it weren't for laws maybe someone would commit murder and then say they did it because in their ffed up religion that's what they feel is right or something. Every single "crime" would be debated. This way if you're proven to break the law, that's it, end of discussion, no matter what. You need to respect the laws of the government you live under. If you don't follow through with rules then people will indeed break them because it's more convenient for them to and they know they won't get in trouble. If they get punished heavily for breaking it once then they'd take the rules more seriously and make more effort to follow them.
Of course, it all depends on the seriousness of the competition or what have you. Would I accept a world championship win for lateness? Instead of starting after being exhausted waiting for two hours after the guy was supposed to be there and instead being able to fairly claim a win? Absolutely! For a casual game agreed to "around 6" when he actually shows up at the table around 6:10? Probably not 
For something more in the grey area like a team match, my decision may depend on if they have a legit excuse (not laziness of course!) and my general mood. But you can't really be wrong for sticking to rules everyone is aware of beforeheand; there's no obligation to be nice if you don't want to, though I would sometimes.
bobbyDK wrote:
I had team match against another town and they did show up 1 hour late.
we waited halve an hour and declared the win.
like I say we had declared the win according to the rules, they ask us if we would play anyway, but of course we didn't. So we won 4-0.
afterall rules are rules and we are not sure that they would have played if it was reverse. I think we did the right thing.
What the...i dont know about that one...seems pretty fishy...i mean very funny story...one person like yourself get win but the whole team? what were time controls? how did just 30 minutes give the whole team a win?
And if you wanted to be nice, why not be more structured and consistent in doing so, like for example having less strict rules but strict (or at least firm) punishment of the rules that are there, instead of having lots of rules but having the magnitude or even existence of a punishment based on a given violation of the rules essentially based on a coin flip?
What a bunch of stubborn and whiny little kids on all sides. The OP's comment in post #21 about a teammate calling his daddy for a ride home seems appropriate.
Yea, great argument but i can see taken the win if it was just you and not the whole team..also if it was a big tourney like world open..what was time controls anyway just curious? how late were they anyway also you could have worked something out were they get so many minutes taken off their clock to start..probably alot of minutes then still play some chess.. I once made a little boy move his piece because he touched it and he lost and cried and his parents thought i was a complete moron..lol Great post though
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meatonthetable wrote:
Yea, great argument but i can see taken the win if it was just you and not the whole team..also if it was a big tourney like world open..what was time controls anyway just curious? how late were they anyway also you could have worked something out were they get so many minutes taken off their clock to start..probably alot of minutes then still play some chess.. I once made a little boy move his piece because he touched it and he lost and cried and his parents thought i was a complete moron..lol Great post though
we had 2 hours for the whole game and they were allowed to be 30 minutes late.
they came 55 minutes to late.
another problem we were playing for fun at the time they arrived and were no way in mood for serious chess anymore.
I think it is good that you made him move his piece, I think they got to learn rules are rules.
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actually since it was the last round in the team match all teams in A group was present plus 2 officials and 1 international arbiter present.
the international arbiter did not say anything since he wasn't official at the last round.
the foreman is now angry at my club and the official from the club that held the last round.
In his words he will punish those two clubs( my club and the officials ) in the future their own way .