Ruling if occurring OTB?

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Avatar of Strangemover

Sorry I know there are loads of these...Here is a game of mine. I lost on time, by my count 1 move away from 50 move rule applying. The position was drawn but I could have theoretically lost by blundering horribly. Obviously this was a little unsporting of my opponent, particularly as this was 30 minute chess rather than blitz, but rules is rules fair enough. Would the result stand in the unlikely event of this happening  OTB?  


Obviously after 117 moves and nearly an hour of focus it was disappointing to lose this way. However, I then remembered something from a few hours earlier which did not last as long and may be the reason for my opponent not allowing me the draw in the above game.


All wins are equal.

Avatar of wanmokewan

In an OTB situation, you can call the arbiter over and make the claim that your opponent is trying to win by the clock alone. The arbiter would either agree with you or observe then decide if the game should be drawn.

Avatar of Strangemover

So it's all on the arbiter's call. In which case a draw in my game arbiter please!

Avatar of ChessOfPlayer

This is why increment is a good thing and why most, if not all masters use it in long games.

Avatar of ThrillerFan

Well, it depends.  Normally, an arbiter call would only apply in the case of no delay and no increment.  Those time controls are extremely rare these days.  It's usually either 5 second delay, 10 second delay, or 30 second increment in the United States, and almost always 30 second increment in major events elsewhere.

 

Of course, you should never lose on time with a 30 second increment in that position.  Black's moves are easy.

Avatar of blitzcopter

I agree with ThrillerFan. In basically any OTB game (at least in the US), there's probably delay or increment, so I wouldn't be particularly sympathetic (heck, even 1 second delay shouldn't prevent Black from being able to Ka8-b7-b8 etc.).

Avatar of solskytz

OTB you are still one move shy of claiming a draw by the 50-move rule, unfortuantely... so it all depends on the arbiter. 

I'm not even sure that nowadays FIDE rules don't allow a player to simply win on time in Rapid...

And yes, frustrating indeed... just ONE MORE MOVE!!

Avatar of Strangemover

Well you're allowed to repeat moves to save time so I suppose logically you should be able to play for a time win in this situation. I'm on a laptop, no mouse, so bullet pace is difficult. Because I didn't have time to count back and see when I could claim a draw I actually lost because of the time wasted offering 3 or 4 draws in the final 20 seconds hoping I had made the count! You live and learn.

Avatar of Pulpofeira

That is a dead draw. OTB you can claim the draw as soon as you have less than two minutes remaining, if the arbiter agrees (and how couldn't he/she?), according to FIDE rules (G5). You can also claim it without an arbiter, just make sure you keep your scoresheet properly completed.

Avatar of Pulpofeira

Only in blitz (10 minutes or less for the whole game) this rule doesn't apply.

Avatar of solskytz

I hope and believe that you're right, <Pulpo>

Avatar of blastforme
Instead of moving your king all over the place to claim a draw on the 50 move rule, you should have tried for a stalemate.. for example, 73.Kc4.. but even not seeing that, pushing toward promoting the pawn would force a stalemate as well, no?
Avatar of blastforme
oh.. lol. I get it.. you're black in that game.. ya I see how that could be frustrating..