Who will win: Satori (can read minds perfectly) vs Bobby Fischer

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felgogo

Satori (beginner, but can read other people's minds perfectly) vs Bobby Fischer (Peak rating :2785) ,
which player do you think will win?

I think Fischer will gain victory.
Chess is perfect information game. Satori will get some information about Fischer's strategy, but it won't be a big problem for Fischer. maybe...

trysts

This Satori?

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Satori_Komeiji

Doggy_Style

After the first game, Fischer will wear a lead helmet, mirror shades and insist that Satori only be given blueberry yogurts. Any series of games longer than two, will result in a win for Fischer.

AngeloPardi

Knowing your opponents intention is useless in chess
Chess is about knowing what your opponent can do. 

Ubik42

Well Magneto beats Professor X.

x-5058622868

Prof X can't read Magneto's mind.

macer75

I think that when chess players play a game, they will inevitably think about what their opponent's best move is. So theoretically the games would all be drawn. The best strategy for fischer would probably be to avoid thinking too much, and play based on intuition.

macer75
RandyRhoads wrote:

If only he was still alive. That would have been such a help to him!

Actually, if Fischer could play in zombie mode, that would be an advantage.

felgogo

Almost YES. Satori is Japanese monster which can read people's mind. :)

 

Theoretically, Satori knows all moves in game...as long as Fischer doesn't change his mind after Satori make a move.

But if he makes some countermeasure, There is no doubt about his victory.

Phylar

Fischer will win. Afterall, who says he needs to think?

trysts
felgogo wrote:

Almost YES. Satori is Japanese monster which can read people's mind. :)

 

Theoretically, Satori knows all moves in game...as long as Fischer doesn't change his mind after Satori make a move.

But if he makes some countermeasure, There is no doubt about his victory.

Then it's kind of like playing yourself in a chess game? 

LJM_III

Satori would have trouble in the opening, since knowing that Fischer is thinking, "I'll play the Najdorf" wouldn't help a beginner. Also, Satori would lose in a complicated position where Fischer couldn't calculate all the variations to find Satori's best response.

waffllemaster

Strong players don't play for traps.  Also strong players don't find move though calculation (they check moves with calculation).  So you'd hear Fischer think "I think Nd5 is good, let me check... yeah looks good" ... not very helpful is it lol.

LJM_III

I was assuming that Satori could read the thoughts that make Fischer conclude that Nd5 is good: "I think Nd5 is good, let me check, he could play e4, no he can't, d3 is okay, d4 is his best response, but we're still even, yeah looks good." Wouldn't that ability be very helpful, at least in the middlegame, since Fischer would figure out Satori's best move for him?

LJM_III

Satori might do better against Fischer than against a lower-rated player who doesn't try to figure out his opponent's best response. Also, giving Fischer more time to think would help Satori.

waffllemaster

I don't know about you, but I very rarely think "____ is my opponent's best move."

Also, after any sort of disadvantage arises it's up to the defender to dig in and get creative.  The winning side will find ways to continue to press and a lot of thought you'd read would sound like "my opponent is dead, this is easy"

x-5058622868

Fischer would figure out Satori's best move in the line Fischer wants to use. However, the best move for Satori in Fischer's line is unlikely to win, otherwise Fischer would abandon that line.

LJM_III

I do try to figure out my opponent's best response to my candidate moves. All too often I'm unsuccessful. Still, I agree that Satori's chances of winning would be slim to none. If Fischer figured out the best, or at least a good enough, response for Satori before making every move, then Satori should draw.

Of course, I don't believe in mind-reading. The question could be framed as: "How would a beginner do against a grandmaster who throroughly explained all of his thinking?"