Saying/Calling check

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wolfgang37

Some find it rude some find it annoying some don't mind. It all depends, but I would avoid it in tournament play.

JeffGreen333
NubbyChessking wrote:

Quick question, idk if you guys know much about scholastic tournaments, but if you call checkmate, and the tournament organizers go over to make sure it's checkmate but then you run out of time by the time they get there, who won? your opponent or you

That should never happen.  When you call checkmate, you should also stop the clock.   Your opponent should be able to verify that it is indeed a checkmate, but if you have to call the TD over, the clock should be stopped.   Any time I ever needed to talk to the TD, regarding a ruling, I always stopped the clock.   

NubbyCheeseking
JeffGreen333 wrote:
NubbyChessking wrote:

Quick question, idk if you guys know much about scholastic tournaments, but if you call checkmate, and the tournament organizers go over to make sure it's checkmate but then you run out of time by the time they get there, who won? your opponent or you

That should never happen.  When you call checkmate, you should also stop the clock.   Your opponent should be able to verify that it is indeed a checkmate, but if you have to call the TD over, the clock should be stopped.   Any time I ever needed to talk to the TD, regarding a ruling, I always stopped the clock.   

I would but for some reason there is a rule in where, "If you have a question, it's on your time." They consider calling checkmate a question for some reason. Another thing, they force you to call somebody to check if it's checkmate. 

NubbyCheeseking

Forgot to mention, schools are suspicious about me due to me going 5.5/6 as a B7. So that could be a reason to but idk.

JeffGreen333
NubbyChessking wrote: 

I would but for some reason there is a rule in where, "If you have a question, it's on your time." They consider calling checkmate a question for some reason. Another thing, they force you to call somebody to check if it's checkmate. 

That must a scholastic-only rule or a new rule then.   I don't recall that rule being in effect when I played in OTB tournaments.   That or my opponent just never complained about me pausing the clock.   I never asked their permission though.   I just paused the clock, told my opponent that I was going to the TD and I was never penalized for doing that.   It only happened once or twice though.   

NubbyCheeseking
JeffGreen333 wrote:
NubbyChessking wrote: 

I would but for some reason there is a rule in where, "If you have a question, it's on your time." They consider calling checkmate a question for some reason. Another thing, they force you to call somebody to check if it's checkmate. 

That must a scholastic-only rule or a new rule then.   I don't recall that rule being in effect when I played in OTB tournaments.   That or my opponent just never complained about me pausing the clock.   I never asked their permission though.   I just paused the clock, told my opponent that I was going to the TD and I was never penalized for doing that.   It only happened once or twice though.   

Idk, maybe because it's a scholastic club they don't want false checkmates? And for the pausing of clock, maybe it's because they don't want people to take forever with questions?

NubbyCheeseking

Bishop's gif is pretty accurate to what happens in the game, replace the food and drinks with a chess board, change the please to mate and make the girl frowning in defeat.

JeffGreen333
MHH_2018 wrote:  yep! 5 mins u can capture the king!!

Is that a FIDE rule though or just a coffeehouse gimmick?

thomas1251lew

Once in a tournament (years ago) I checked a guy, didn't say 'check', whereupon he slammed a rook down on my back rank, so hard several pieces fell over. I then said 'check', he said "check hell, that is checkmate! I had to show him, he was in check. I felt bad for him, but it was all his fault. He got so excited.

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thomas1251lew wrote:

Once in a tournament (years ago) I checked a guy, didn't say 'check', whereupon he slammed a rook down on my back rank, so hard several pieces fell over. I then said 'check', he said "check hell, that is checkmate! I had to show him, he was in check. I felt bad for him, but it was all his fault. He got so excited.

Lol! what a dumba**!

chessfaded
ThrillerFan wrote:

Yes you are!

It's a distraction more than anything else. Especially in time trouble when you are checking every move, it's extremely distracting. I actually TELL (yes, TELL, NOT ASK) my opponents to cease immediately. If they don't stop, I start slamming pieces on my moves to get the point across to them.

It is the responsibility of the player in check to recognize that they are in check. By the time you get to my level, almost 2100, even with a low tone, you are going to get a lot of "No Sh*t Sherlock" type responses by the 2nd or 3rd time you say "check".

If the player in check doesn't get out of check, then it depends on the type of tournament you are in:

Blitz - Player can capture the King

Quick or Standard - Player states that you made an illegal move, reports it to the TD, and the TD adds 2 minutes to the non-offending side's clock.

in tournament play i agree with you, but playing with friends at the bar or park, etc. -- saying check i think is courteous. although a lot of my friends do not really play chess competitively. not sure how often you do that though, or if you purely play chess competitively

Samuel_Colt_38
Optimissed wrote:
ArnesonStidgeley wrote:

The most recent thread on this that I found was five years old so...

...seriously, I must have missed the part when saying check went out of favour - or perhaps I just missed that part of my chess education. I fully recognise that it is not done in professional chess and - so people say - not in tournaments or club chess.

In my teens - in the 70s - I played competitive chess (tournaments and matches) and reached BCF 164 (1940 Elo) and I always said "check" - not in an aggressive gamemanship way, just that I thought it was (literally) conventional. No-one ever complained and most of my opponents - but not all - also said "check".

I played some competitive chess again late 80s and early 90s and my experience was again the same - ie, I did it; some others did; no-one complained.

I now coach chess and tell my students to say, "check" - not as a "you have to" rule but in a "this is what you do" way. Am I - inadvertently - training my students to annoy their opponents? Perhaps I am.

I might not play against someone who refused to say "check". I don't mean in a blitz game but a real one. Having said that, in a slower one you shouldn't miss being in check but it's a courtesy and I wouldn't have respect for someone who omitted it.

That's a really odd position to take. I assume that you do not have much tournament experience.

Kyobir

We should start saying "échec" instead.