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WaferRolls99
DragonoftheEclipse wrote:
 

Sorry for entering the debate, but women mature faster than men. They also prove to be far more caring and understanding than men. There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again. There is one thing men do better than women and that is killing people without conscience. Also causing arguments based on their prejudices, my example: you. 
by the way I am a male and you are completely wrong, and you are what make me lose hope in humanity.

Welcome to the conversation!

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but can you cite any studies which support your prejudice?

One thing I have noticed about women is that to "refute" a statistical certainty, they will pick the minority case and argue that. You seem to have adopted that tactic. For example, you state: There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again.

If there are "many" such cases, you should have no difficulty at all detailing 10 such examples. Note that your examples should evidence:

  1. Men carrying grudges
  2. From their fathers
  3. Without reason
  4. And women stepping up to make peace.

Note too that this is a VERY narrow category, which only shows the extreme extents to which you have to go to make a (likely) false statement that supports your prejudice.

I agree that men do a much better job of killing, though again, I invite you to produce evidence that they do so "without conscience". I've already alluded to the fact that women are more likely to deal the first blow in domestic violence situations, but often wind up with far more damage than the men they attacked. Is this because after starting the fight, women decided they weren't interested? Or because men are simply better at physical combat (and pretty much everything else)?

As for my "prejudices", I make a concerted effort to make FACT-based statements. I am well aware that such truths are not fashionable - certainly not among women or their simps. I can probably cite well over 100 world records held by men. How many can you cite held by women? I can cite at least 100 world renown male scientists, inventors, mathematicians, physicists without even have to reference any source. Can you name 5 women who have achieved anything notable?

The original premise was that men are simply better at chess (no woman in the top 100 rankings?), and extended to men are simply better at almost everything. It's only fair that I quantify that: Of course women are better at getting pregnant, giving birth, nursing children... That's what they're BUILT for. But in matters of strength, speed, agility, power, endurance, intelligence, creativity, invention, building (and destroying), and hundreds of other fields, men are just better, recalling once again because you've shown yourself desirous of arguing the edge cases, that by that I mean the best in the world are MEN.

j4ck4l5

If you truly believe there is some factor that prevents women from being just as good as men in the world of chess, then you better have sources to back it up before saying something so unbelievably stupid.

There are female players out there who could DESTROY the majority of men in competition. The separation of gender in chess has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with saturation. Simply by numbers, there are more men playing than women. Its just a way to have more equal representation.

To give a small example, for every female grand master, there are 44 male grand masters. There can be only one winner, so if it were mixed gender, you'd have a roughly 2% chance of seeing a woman win in every competition. In a way, it would be very discouraging to even try.

DragonoftheEclipse
WaferRolls99 wrote:
DragonoftheEclipse wrote:
 

Sorry for entering the debate, but women mature faster than men. They also prove to be far more caring and understanding than men. There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again. There is one thing men do better than women and that is killing people without conscience. Also causing arguments based on their prejudices, my example: you. 
by the way I am a male and you are completely wrong, and you are what make me lose hope in humanity.

Welcome to the conversation!

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but can you cite any studies which support your prejudice?

One thing I have noticed about women is that to "refute" a statistical certainty, they will pick the minority case and argue that. You seem to have adopted that tactic. For example, you state: There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again.

If there are "many" such cases, you should have no difficulty at all detailing 10 such examples. Note that your examples should evidence:

  1. Men carrying grudges
  2. From their fathers
  3. Without reason
  4. And women stepping up to make peace.

Note too that this is a VERY narrow category, which only shows the extreme extents to which you have to go to make a (likely) false statement that supports your prejudice.

I agree that men do a much better job of killing, though again, I invite you to produce evidence that they do so "without conscience". I've already alluded to the fact that women are more likely to deal the first blow in domestic violence situations, but often wind up with far more damage than the men they attacked. Is this because after starting the fight, women decided they weren't interested? Or because men are simply better at physical combat (and pretty much everything else)?

As for my "prejudices", I make a concerted effort to make FACT-based statements. I am well aware that such truths are not fashionable - certainly not among women or their simps. I can probably cite well over 100 world records held by men. How many can you cite held by women? I can cite at least 100 world renown male scientists, inventors, mathematicians, physicists without even have to reference any source. Can you name 5 women who have achieved anything notable?

The original premise was that men are simply better at chess (no woman in the top 100 rankings?), and extended to men are simply better at almost everything. It's only fair that I quantify that: Of course women are better at getting pregnant, giving birth, nursing children... That's what they're BUILT for. But in matters of strength, speed, agility, power, endurance, intelligence, creativity, invention, building (and destroying), and hundreds of other fields, men are just better, recalling once again because you've shown yourself desirous of arguing the edge cases, that by that I mean the best in the world are MEN.

1. Mother Teresa: She worked tirelessly to bring peace and reconciliation to countless individuals throughout a war that men brought soon her country

2. Rosa Parks: She stood up against men that had been going against her race for over a century, and she strives to bring peace. In this case, men were the ones who made the laws which kept people segregated.

3. Malala Yousafzai: Despite facing threats and violence for advocating for girls’ education, notice men were preventing the education of women here.

4. Queen Elizabeth I of England: During her reign, she kept peace in her country which was on the brink of war because of her father and her fiancé.

5. Eleanor Roosevelt: She played a pivotal role in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and added terms that men had left out.

6. Queen Victoria: Despite the political tensions of her era, Queen Victoria worked to maintain stability and peace within the British Empire. She kept conflicts at bay that had been started by men.

7. Harriet Tubman: Along the lines with Rosa Parks, except for she saved people from the men who abused them.

8. Aung San Suu Kyi: She was persecuted mostly by men but she stayed nonviolent, unlike her oppressors, and she brought peace to her country.

9. Margaret Thatcher: she played a significant role in shaping international relations during the Cold War era. Most of the leaders at the time were men and she helped balance them.

10. Nelson Mandela’s wives: Winnie Mandela and Graca Machel both played important roles in supporting Nelson Mandela’s fight against apartheid and his efforts to reconcile South Africa after decades of racial division

Unfortunately history does not keep track of family squabbles, but especially in England women built bridges between families.

As for the killing, armies will take gamers who are desensitized to killing (because they are used to shooting people in their games) and use them as they don’t get PTSD or trauma as much.

DragonoftheEclipse

For world records you will need to be more specific, are we talking ANY world record? If so here are twenty examples:

1. Longest female winning streak in professional boxing: Lucia Rijker
2. Longest career as a professional musician: Vera Lynn
3. Highest number of Olympic gold medals in gymnastics: Larisa Latynina
4. Longest solo non-stop flight by a woman: Sheila Scott
5. Most Grammy Awards won by a female artist: Beyoncé
6. Longest time spent in space by a woman: Valentina Tereshkova
7. Highest-paid female athlete in a single year: Serena Williams
8. Most career wins in professional golf: Kathy Whitworth
9. Fastest solo circumnavigation of the globe by sailboat (female): Ellen MacArthur
10. Longest uninterrupted tenure as a head of state by a woman: Queen Elizabeth II
11. Highest-grossing actress of all time: Scarlett Johansson
12. Most Academy Award nominations for acting (female): Meryl Streep
13. Most Grand Slam singles titles in tennis: Margaret Court
14. Most career goals in international football (soccer): Abby Wambach
15. Most Olympic gold medals in track and field by a woman: Allyson Felix
16. Fastest time to swim the English Channel: Sarah Thomas
17. Most successful solo artist in UK chart history: Madonna
18. Fastest time to climb the Seven Summits by a woman: Vanessa O’Brien
19. Most world titles in professional wrestling: The Fabulous Moolah
20. Longest career as a professional dancer: Carmen de Lavallade
I have more if you want them

Paula-777
WaferRolls99 wrote:
Paula-777 wrote:

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

I was making fun of women who can't do anything as well as men, yet somehow think they are "equal". Without the forbearance and tolerance of Western men, you'd be wearing a burqa, staying at home unless accompanied by a male relative, speaking only when spoken to, and would be stoned in the public square for any transgression that reflected poorly on your family. I don't know about Argentina, but in America, everything women have was given to them by men - including the right to make foolish comments.

Women were born with all the rights we have recognised now because we are humans. The only reason men had to "give them" to us (completely ahistorical, and unreasonable "mindset") is because they had taken them first. Do not think yourself as better just because you oppressed people for centuries - that just makes you less than human. It is also very, very pathetic how you ignored my comment proving you wrong regarding female scientists and inventors, but, honestly? I do not expect much more from the average internet incel.

DragonoftheEclipse
Paula-777 wrote:
WaferRolls99 wrote:
Paula-777 wrote:

I was making fun of the men in the comments saying all they could think about was "destroying her box". Comments which, by the way, you said had read all. Your long assumptions are very laughable, though. Also very laughable how you quote street interviews to (probably drunk) women at night by manosphere youtubers as... the perfect source. LMAO.

I was making fun of women who can't do anything as well as men, yet somehow think they are "equal". Without the forbearance and tolerance of Western men, you'd be wearing a burqa, staying at home unless accompanied by a male relative, speaking only when spoken to, and would be stoned in the public square for any transgression that reflected poorly on your family. I don't know about Argentina, but in America, everything women have was given to them by men - including the right to make foolish comments.

Women were born with all the rights we have recognised now because we are humans. The only reason men had to "give them" to us (completely ahistorical, and unreasonable "mindset") is because they had taken them first. Do not think yourself as better just because you oppressed people for centuries - that just makes you less than human. It is also very, very pathetic how you ignored my comment proving you wrong regarding female scientists and inventors, but, honestly? I do not expect much more from the average internet incel.

I agree 100% women should have been seen as equals from the beginning and we would be so much further as a society if they had.

WaferRolls99

DragonoftheEclipse wrote:

1. Mother Teresa: She worked tirelessly to bring peace and reconciliation to countless individuals throughout a war that men brought soon her country

2. Rosa Parks: She stood up against men that had been going against her race for over a century, and she strives to bring peace. In this case, men were the ones who made the laws which kept people segregated.

3. Malala Yousafzai: Despite facing threats and violence for advocating for girls’ education, notice men were preventing the education of women here.

4. Queen Elizabeth I of England: During her reign, she kept peace in her country which was on the brink of war because of her father and her fiancé.

5. Eleanor Roosevelt: She played a pivotal role in drafting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and added terms that men had left out.

6. Queen Victoria: Despite the political tensions of her era, Queen Victoria worked to maintain stability and peace within the British Empire. She kept conflicts at bay that had been started by men.

7. Harriet Tubman: Along the lines with Rosa Parks, except for she saved people from the men who abused them.

8. Aung San Suu Kyi: She was persecuted mostly by men but she stayed nonviolent, unlike her oppressors, and she brought peace to her country.

9. Margaret Thatcher: she played a significant role in shaping international relations during the Cold War era. Most of the leaders at the time were men and she helped balance them.

10. Nelson Mandela’s wives: Winnie Mandela and Graca Machel both played important roles in supporting Nelson Mandela’s fight against apartheid and his efforts to reconcile South Africa after decades of racial division

Applying the standards which YOU selected:

  1. Men carrying grudges
  2. From their fathers
  3. Without reason
  4. And women stepping up to make peace.

And applying them in order to the list you've supplied:

  1. Mother Teresa - FAILS #1
  2. Rosa Parks- FAILS #1
  3. Malala Yousafzai -FAILS #1
  4. Queen Elizabeth I of England- FAILS #1
  5. Eleanor Roosevelt- FAILS #1
  6. Queen Victoria- FAILS #1
  7. Harriet Tubman- FAILS #1
  8. Aung San Suu Kyi - FAILS #1
  9. Margaret Thatcher - FAILS #1
  10. Nelson Mandela’s wives - FAILS #1

It is a popular debate tactic, especially among women, to set out some conditions (as you have above), claim that women are superior in that regard, then present "evidence" that doesn't even meet the standards they set out. In your case, I am not aware of any case where any of the women you cited actually met ANY of the first three conditions and most don't meet the fourth. Do you have ANY examples that fit the criteria YOU selected?

Paula-777
WaferRolls99 wrote:
DragonoftheEclipse wrote:
 

Sorry for entering the debate, but women mature faster than men. They also prove to be far more caring and understanding than men. There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again. There is one thing men do better than women and that is killing people without conscience. Also causing arguments based on their prejudices, my example: you. 
by the way I am a male and you are completely wrong, and you are what make me lose hope in humanity.

Welcome to the conversation!

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but can you cite any studies which support your prejudice?

One thing I have noticed about women is that to "refute" a statistical certainty, they will pick the minority case and argue that. You seem to have adopted that tactic. For example, you state: There are many instances in history where men will carry grudges down from their fathers even though there is no reason to, and it is usually women for cross those gaps to get peace again.

If there are "many" such cases, you should have no difficulty at all detailing 10 such examples. Note that your examples should evidence:

  1. Men carrying grudges
  2. From their fathers
  3. Without reason
  4. And women stepping up to make peace.

Note too that this is a VERY narrow category, which only shows the extreme extents to which you have to go to make a (likely) false statement that supports your prejudice.

I agree that men do a much better job of killing, though again, I invite you to produce evidence that they do so "without conscience". I've already alluded to the fact that women are more likely to deal the first blow in domestic violence situations, but often wind up with far more damage than the men they attacked. Is this because after starting the fight, women decided they weren't interested? Or because men are simply better at physical combat (and pretty much everything else)?

As for my "prejudices", I make a concerted effort to make FACT-based statements. I am well aware that such truths are not fashionable - certainly not among women or their simps. I can probably cite well over 100 world records held by men. How many can you cite held by women? I can cite at least 100 world renown male scientists, inventors, mathematicians, physicists without even have to reference any source. Can you name 5 women who have achieved anything notable?

The original premise was that men are simply better at chess (no woman in the top 100 rankings?), and extended to men are simply better at almost everything. It's only fair that I quantify that: Of course women are better at getting pregnant, giving birth, nursing children... That's what they're BUILT for. But in matters of strength, speed, agility, power, endurance, intelligence, creativity, invention, building (and destroying), and hundreds of other fields, men are just better, recalling once again because you've shown yourself desirous of arguing the edge cases, that by that I mean the best in the world are MEN.

Also, no one here is denying that men, on average, have greater advantage when it comes to muscle mass and instant physical strength - Wow! Who would've guessed that we, as mammals, are a sexually dimorphic species? And it's almost as if basically all modern sports were created by men, for men, and therefore the ways of competition, the rules, and the physical "needs", benefit male anatomy over female anatomy.

You cannot come to a conclusion (as ridiculous as yours) without taking into account not only biology, but political and socio-historical context too, as well as the state of current culture. As I explained in comments above, the reason why there have not been as many female inventors and in the sciences is cultural - you cannot expect someone barred from higher education, sold into domestic slavery as a teenager (how marriage has worked for most of recorded history), often in risk of death by pregnancy/lack of proper healthcare, constantly traumatized (forced sex by their husbands, forced sex by enemy soldiers during war, premature death of children, often miscarriages, brutal death of loved ones because of poverty/war/unjust laws, etc), and considered less than human by the law (and by religious officers), to become Caravaggio.

And, even so, there are quite many cases of women throughout history who, against all said struggles, could be great academics - take Artemisia Gentileschi for example who perfected aforementioned Caravaggio's technique of chiaroscuro, among many other aspects. Or take Jane Austen, the Brontës, Mary Shelley, Susan Sontag, Virginia Woolf, countless others, who to this day are praised in the world of literature, along with their male counterparts (and, sometimes, even above). In political history you have Boudica, Jeanne d'Arc, Queen Elizabeth I, Æthelflæd, Zheng Yi Sao, Rosa Luxemburg, and, again, countless others. In philosophy you have Simone de Beauvoir, Simone Weil, Hypatia of Alexandria, Mary Wollstonecraft, Aspasia, Hannah Arendt, Émilie du Châtelet, Ann Conway, and, unsuprisingly, countless others. In sciences I already named many in a previous comment - which, again, you ignored. Finally, to be honest, I am not bothered by sports, because it is not an area of interest of mine nor I find them to be this unique thing that will get you remembered throughout history (who will care about John Cena in 300 years? Much less people than the ones who will care, or be affected by, Marie Curie or Lise Meitner, I assure you), so I cannot name too many off the top of my head.

Friendly reminder! Literature was invented by a woman (Enheduanna of Ur), science fiction too (Mary Shelley with "Frankenstein or the Modern Prometeus"), as well as computer programming (Ada Lovelace), new treatments for malaria and epilepsy (Asima Chatterjee, Youyou Tu), etc. And girls and women are currently outperforming boys and men in many academic fields - there goes your completely unchallanged superior creativity and intelligence!

Edit: Oh, and about women helping for peace when it comes to conflicts between fathers and sons - here's one example: the War of The Roses.

Morkar_the_Northman

Men are more intimidating, which gives them a small advantage in OTB chess. I also generally find men to have slightly more willpower, and in my opinion that's one of the reasons why there are in fact more male players.

Polgar once cracked top-10, and I can definitely see the possibility of some genius-girl one day becoming world-champion. However, even if there were an equal number of players, I still find it difficult to believe the top-20 would be equally divided.

WaferRolls99

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