right there's not been a NATIVE american gm, I think, ever. so therefore... everyone of america's strong chess player; today or yesteryears... are from somewhere else.
and anyways, if the person represents where he was raised and not where he lives; why can't we claim Carauna? by the op's logic Carauna is the best US chess player...
Many ignorant foreigners, like the OP, don't really understand what it means to be an American. Unlike most countries, the United States has been a magnet, attracting people from all over the world for more than a century. All of these peole became Americans and helped expand our idea of what it means to be "an American.All our top players are Americans
Actually, this is a very strange post for someone from the Netherlands. The only important player competing under the Dutch banner is Giri, and he is about as Dutch as Yak butter
Peter Stuyvesant the governor of New Amsterdam in the 1650's AND 60'S ( later to become New York ) was Dutch or was he American ?
you know your history, but there was no America before 1776. colonists were subjects to their king and country. Since then people throughout the world have been coming to this country to bring add their talents and diversity to the story of our nation.
if your gained citizenship through birth or immigration then your accomplishements should be considered part of our acheivements as a country, IMHO.
Carauna is italien, and we have nakamura.
right there's not been a NATIVE american gm, I think, ever.
ok. then what shall I call the ethnic group, then? many don't like the term 'indian'?
Oh, I see, native american.
I guess that facepalm is for me then lol
but then again maybe thats whats wrong with the whole thread. even the word "America" is too vague... what do you mean- the USA only- does Canada count?? and generally America includes all kinds of places, mexico, venezuala, and on and on
when to call a person and american and when he is an immigrant asian,etc has been a dicey judgement call since at least the whenever the vikings make it here on longships....
No, the highest rated US chess player is Hikaru Nakamura, who is a full US citizen. I think someone is confused.
Yeah, I try to call it United States, not America.
And yes, most of us trace our family back to one European country or another.
i think what people ITT are trying to say is,
when people think America's best chess player, they think of a name like "Stewart Williams" or "Chris Fitzgerald" or "Johnny Bravo"
not
Hikaru Nakamura
I think anyone that thinks something like that is pretty ignorant about the USA, frankly.
Speaking of Native Americans, here is the latest Chess Life cover:
Actually, this is a very strange post for someone from the Netherlands. The only important player competing under the Dutch banner is Giri, and he is about as Dutch as Yak butter
We do have Loek van Wely, ranked 77 which is better than Shankland.
Anyaway the point is that, since Fischer, the US have never had an important chess player anymore. That's very strange for such a huge country. Europe and Asia are domintating the chess world for over 50 yrs.
List of Dutch chess champions since WW2:
VeeDeeVee: It's certainly true that the Netherlands has long had a terrific chess culture, and I would love it if we had anything like it. But there is an enormous factual error in your initial premise. Hikaru Nakamura came here at the age of two. He learned chess entirely in the United States. In every possible way, he is a product of American chess culture. To claim that America didn't "produce" him is, at best, ignorant. When your initial premise proves to be complete nonsense, the rest of your argument just crumbles into nothing
On top of that, his mother is American...when he came here, he was already a US citizen. It would be incorrect to even call him an immigrant.
VeeDeeVee: It's certainly true that the Netherlands has long had a terrific chess culture, and I would love it if we had anything like it. But there is an enormous factual error in your initial premise. Hikaru Nakamura came here at the age of two. He learned chess entirely in the United States. In every possible way, he is a product of American chess culture. To claim that America didn't "produce" him is, at best, ignorant. When your initial premise proves to be complete nonsense, the rest of your argument just crumbles into nothing
This muppet wears women's clothes. Unfortunately for him, he will never become a woman. Same with Hiraku Nakamura, he will never be a real American because of his roots.
....the others - playing for the US - are from Asia and Russia.
Very strange for a country with 320M citizens.