Should a beginner play d4 or e4 first?

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FaceCrusher

What the hell, people digging on the Colle? It's awesome, and a lot of fun. Really solid too in the right hands, the Zugertort at least for sure. A lot depends on style. Some people just aren't going to be as comfortable with some openings as others. If you get better results with one opening than another, and it's more congruent to your way of thinking and playing, hard to argue that you should play something else. 

kindaspongey
FaceCrusher wrote:

... When I first started studying chess seriously as a kid over the summer, I went back to school in the fall, and went 42-0 in Chess Club...by playing the Italian, mostly with 4.Ng5, then of course 5.Nxf7 and getting that rook. I'd ride that advantage to the win every time beating all those 600 and 700 level players, ...

Get much of 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 or 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 ?

LeonSKennedy992
SIowMove wrote:
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

 

The beginner can play the London as white and the scandinavian gambit as black (icelandic gambit, which is VERY tactical).  Get the best of both worlds.

Part of being a good coach comes down to identifying the kinds of openings and defenses that work well with a player's style (both of playing, and of thinking). Yes, a beginner can learn the London and the Scandinavian—if it suits them and it's what they want to learn.

Otherwise, they're better off learning something else.

Personally, I think beginners are better off learning opening principles only, and focusing on other areas of chess in the meantime. But, as with most things in life: to each their own.

Thank you for your insight!  I agree that different beginners enjoy different openings/defenses.  Very good point.

toiyabe
FaceCrusher wrote: What the hell, people digging on the Colle? It's awesome, and a lot of fun.

 

*puke*

penandpaper0089
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
FaceCrusher wrote:

What the hell, people digging on the Colle? It's awesome, and a lot of fun. Really solid too in the right hands, the Zugertort at least for sure. A lot depends on style. Some people just aren't going to be as comfortable with some openings as others. If you get better results with one opening than another, and it's more congruent to your way of thinking and playing, hard to argue that you should play something else. 

 

*puke*

lol

We had an interesting thread on the Colle here: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/isolated-pawn-in-the-colle

LeonSKennedy992

The colle is a fine opening, just like the London System.  I don't understand why these trolls feel the need to bash them.

edubois314

I still feel that 1. d4 just kind of 'slows the game down' so the new player can do a lot more ruminating and exploring the position and the game rather than just banging out memorized moves.  a slower, quieter game is the key, which 1. d4 can achieve.  my only complaint about 1. c4 is that it is too passive, and my only complaint about 1. nf3 is that white can easily fall into a passive position without having staked out a claim in the center.

I feel like 1. e4 turns too easily into a rote memorization game between two beginners who are memorzing the same lines.

kindaspongey
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kindaspongey
DeirdreSkye wrote:

       Ruy lopez and Queen's gambit are the most important openings for the beginner that wants to increase his positional understanding as fast as possible(if "as fast as possible" is not the goal ,any opening will do).These 2 openings have positions that will teach you more than 3/4 of the important "need to know" concepts. ... 

"... You should prepare your repertoire according to your own chess tastes and style. ..." - GM Artur Yusupov

"Alekhine advised beginners not to play the Spanish game. We also recommend you get some experience first by playing relatively simple openings - the Scotch and Italian games - and only then move on to the Spanish one." - Journey to the Chess Kingdom by Yuri Averbakh and Mikhail Beilin

Ashvapathi
Ruy Lopez and queens gambit are two openings that beginners should avoid. Beginners should avoid d4 in general. But, if they want to play d4, then I think London System is preferred.
LeonSKennedy992

The London System has an assortment of tricks to teach the student. A student should learn the basic system setup, then the subtleties that you can incorporate to attack your opponent. The knight on e5 is the most basic one. There are many. The London System has lots of tactical tricks and is superior to teach to a student in my opinion than the Guico Piano (Italian Game). I don't want my student to do just memorize the opening and not to know what is next. With the london system, white has MUCH more time to create a plan (such as a kingside attack). Slower games also teach the student patience and endurance, which are two very important psychological aspects of chess. In the meanwhile, I recommend studying the book "1001 checkmates" by Fred Reinfield. The book will also teach the student checkmate pattern recognition. Cheers to all! ......except the trolls who so happily infiltrated this great topic near the end.

ServiceMyBishop

 all things being equal, and I had to pick... d4 is my answer . especially with the way modern chess is quickly changing. 



toiyabe
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

The colle is a fine opening, just like the London System.  I don't understand why these trolls feel the need to bash them.

 

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are a "troll."  

toiyabe
MiloYiannopouIos wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

The colle is a fine opening, just like the London System.  I don't understand why these trolls feel the need to bash them.

 

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are a "troll."  

leftist social justice warrior lol

 

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kindaspongey

"One of the more surprising theoretical developments of recent times has been the evolution and popularity of 1 d4 followed by 2 Bf4. ..." - September 2017 issue of Chess

toiyabe
MiloYiannopouIos wrote:

fact

Yes, it is a fact that you are a low-skilled troll, no innate talent to speak of.  I wish you luck on your journey to becoming more proficient with your trolling skills.  Perhaps taking some courses on the art of successful trolling will get you to at least an "average" skill level, although I fear that you have very little potential.  Such is life.  

0sumPuzzlerDtoWL
MiloYiannopouIos wrote:

 But I'm not even trolling zzz

 

So what _are_ you attempting to do? Snorezzzz?

0sumPuzzlerDtoWL
MiloYiannopouIos wrote:

i dont attempt.

No aspirations for success?  Attempt does not preclude accomplishment; it is however a requirement.

0sumPuzzlerDtoWL
MiloYiannopouIos wrote:

I don't need to aspire for success.

You're right. You're already a star in my eyes. :')  /s

 

Well no-one is born successful. Gifted, perhaps, but success requires achievement.  So you either don't want to achieve (failure), or you stagnated (had success thus-far as you will or peruse, failure), so what do you want?

LeonSKennedy992

MiloYiannopouIos wrote:

rich family dont need to try

Can you do me a favor and leave this topic? It was a mature topic that was totally derailed by your childish antics.