Should a beginner play d4 or e4 first?

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LeonSKennedy992
pfren wrote:
LeonSKennedy992 έγραψε:

Yeah Bobby Fischer always ALWAYS played e4....that is why Spassky was sooo surprised in game 6 when he played d4.  Spassky was totally taken aback psychologically and Fischer played a brilliant game.

It was here when Fischer realized that chess was quickly becoming ALL about preparation.  It bothered him greatly.

Ummm... Fisher did NOT play 1.d4 in game 6.

Spassky was not surprised, or something in that game- he was absolutely familiar with the opening (QGD Taratakower). For some odd reason he did not apply a very strong move shown to him by his seconds just months before the game... and the rest is history.

 

Heyy, nice to see another great player in this topic, it is an honor, sir. 

But yes, it was game 6 of the championship:  http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044366

Spassky was surprised not because of his familiarity with the Tarkatower, BUT because Fischer NEVER played d4 AND Spassky never lost against it.  *****Fischer began with c4, not d4, but eventually transposed......  So Spassky was taken aback.  Fischer was quite a psychological player.  He was a bit crazy, but a genius.  At least this is what I think, sir.  I could be quite mistaken haha happy.png

LeonSKennedy992
NMinSixMonths wrote:

Playing easy safe games is not conducive to the beginner. Let the beginner get burned until they learn not to put their hand in the fire. Easy system opening have less opportunities for learning and so should be avoided by beginners.

 

The London System has plenty of tactics, like Ne5 for example.  This can lead to a swift kingside attack against another beginner happy.png.  Besides, the beginner can study also Fred Reinfield's 1001 checkmates for tactics practice.  It is better than the tactics trainer found here on chess.com.

I appreciate your feedback sir.

LeonSKennedy992

@kindaspongey

Thank you for your long, insightful remark.  I agree with you.  However, one opening that is taught to beginners VERY early is the KIA as white.  It is a good opening, but a beginner will not understand the subtleties needed to win a game with it, in my opinion of course happy.png

Again, thanks for your feedback, sir.

kindaspongey

Opinions differ on the suitability of the KIA for beginners. GM Seirawan seemed sympathetic to the idea in his Winning Chess Openings book.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf

The IM Watson quote struck me as disapproving, but not adamantly opposed.

LeonSKennedy992
kindaspongey wrote:

Opinions differ on the suitability of the KIA for beginners. Seirawan seemed sympathetic to the idea in his Winning Chess Openings book. The IM Watson quote struck me as disapproving, but not adamantly opposed.

 

completely agree happy.png

kysly_kyslik

No

beginner must start with moves like 1.b3, 1.g3, 1.Nf3 or even 1.Na3. It's very useful to play side-openings to which you opponent can't be prepared properly. e4 and all these Sicilian defense variations prolonging to move 50 are boring and all these moves worth remembering if you play e4. d4 is much better, but irregular openings are the best!!!

LeonSKennedy992
kysly_kyslik wrote:

No

beginner must start with moves like 1.b3, 1.g3, 1.Nf3 or even 1.Na3. It's very useful to play side-openings to which you opponent can't be prepared properly. e4 and all these Sicilian defense variations prolonging to move 50 are boring and all these moves worth remembering if you play e4. d4 is much better, but irregular openings are the best!!!

 

Agreed!  Play the Icelandic gambit as black (part of the scandinavian defense).  It is very tricky and very few opponents will be ready for it.

kentridgedrunkard

I would say e4 is better. Many chess coaches insist on playing e4 first because it gives the player a chance to control the centre by moving d4 next. e4 is easier to learn, though.

 

LeonSKennedy992
GideonTing wrote:

I would say e4 is better. Many chess coaches insist on playing e4 first because it gives the player a chance to control the centre by moving d4 next. e4 is easier to learn, though.

 

 

e4 is not too easy to learn in my opinion.  White has to deal with numerous tricky defenses (such as the sicilian).  On the other hand, the London System is very safe but can easily lead to a kingside attack if black isn't careful.

hajsjwbdjd

Too defensive.You need to play tactical games first.not some illuminati pawn structure

MEXIMARTINI

Is there a system called the Mexican?

 

i mean, there is Sicilian, London, Scandinavian, Icelandic gambit......

SIowMove
NMinSixMonths wrote:

Playing easy safe games is not conducive to the beginner. Let the beginner get burned until they learn not to put their hand in the fire. Easy system opening have less opportunities for learning and so should be avoided by beginners.

Agreed.

LeonSKennedy992
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

Is there a system called the Mexican?

 

i mean, there is Sicilian, London, Scandinavian, Icelandic gambit......

 

The Mexican Reshevsky Attack is as follows below, it has been played by GM Reshevsky numerous times.  He called it the Mexican attack because he won a LOT of games in a simul in Juarez, Mexico with it.  The opening sequence is below:

 

MEXIMARTINI

so D4 instead of E4...

That truly goes against everything i've learned in this game of chess!  I feel I must learn this system tho, due to well, you know...i'm a taco lovin nacho dippin mexican beaner. 

LeonSKennedy992
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

so D4 instead of E4...

That truly goes against everything i've learned in this game of chess!  I feel I must learn this system tho, due to well, you know...i'm a taco lovin nacho dippin mexican beaner. 

haha you are funny happy.png

MEXIMARTINI

Leon, thread back on track, I'm learning the Mexican, you think I'm funny, and I'm currently eating tacos.  

 

Ahhhh can this day get any better??

 

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Patrik-Bookwurm-Maly

e4 is for aggressive players and d4 for something between. Pure positional player would play 1. Nf3

LeonSKennedy992
PatrikMaly wrote:

e4 is for aggressive players and d4 for something between. Pure positional player would play 1. Nf3

I have played 1000s of games with d4 and I am a Class A player....and I have noticed that d4 is actually much more aggressive than many would think.  However, yes I do agree that e4 is more aggressive in general, of course, sir.  Thank you for your feedback happy.png

toiyabe
PatrikMaly wrote:

e4 is for aggressive players and d4 for something between. Pure positional player would play 1. Nf3

 

Not true.  You can play passively with 1.e4 and aggressively with 1.Nf3.  The first move is just that....a move.  I don't understand why people feel the need to make these huge generalizations based on white's first move.  

MEXIMARTINI
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
PatrikMaly wrote:

e4 is for aggressive players and d4 for something between. Pure positional player would play 1. Nf3

 

Not true.  You can play passively with 1.e4 and aggressively with 1.Nf3.  The first move is just that....a move.  I don't understand why people feel the need to make these huge generalizations based on white's first move.  

whoa.  wait a minute...i've played E4 and finished a game in four moves.  that's pretty huge.