should chess.com show the opening in live chess?

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Avatar of gingerninja2003

when you play live chess it shows the opening played. the problem with this is that at lower ratings (800-1000) it can influence moves. (i'll explain soon) and at ratings significantly higher than this, it is largely unnecessary.

I play the queens gambit and from starting off at chess.com playing rapid at 800-1000 i didn't see the queens gambit once (now i'm >1300 in rapid) however in blitz (where my rating is significantly lower) people don't take the pawn on c4, despite it being unlikely they know about it. 

actually it's clear they don't know about it because of what they play instead. 99% of the time when they don't take the pawn on c4. they move a knight which isn't the best move; they should know that if they revised it.

i'm fine with them not taking it's just the chess.com opening shower thing is influencing moves and i'm sure it's in the fair play policy that you shouldn't get any help from a third party. it's a shame that chess.com breaks their own fair play policy.

short conclusion: weak players: breaks experience.  strong players: unnecessary.

i love chess.com but this bugs me.

Avatar of Cherub_Enjel

This is a non-issue. 

At the beginner level, knowing the specific opening will influence 0 games played. A simple tactical blunder is going to impact the game 100% of the time.

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Cherub_Enjel wrote:

This is a non-issue. 

At the beginner level, knowing the specific opening will influence 0 games played. A simple tactical blunder is going to impact the game 100% of the time.

chess.com is still influencing peoples moves. doesn't matter if it's a non-issue.

and i think it is an issue.

i'm not upset about being more likely to lose i don't care about blitz. it's the result of the game changing based on third party influence. 

Avatar of Cherub_Enjel

If a beginner would do what you wrote above without knowing the name of the opening, then how will knowing the name of the opening change that?? 

After all, it's a gambit, so shouldn't black be keeping the pawn? wink.png

Avatar of gingerninja2003
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

If a beginner would do what you wrote above without knowing the name of the opening, then how will knowing the name of the opening change that?? 

After all, it's a gambit, so shouldn't black be keeping the pawn?

(before i comment i know the queens gambit isn't really a gambit but it being called the queens gambit is important.)

beginners know that a gambit is where someone sacs a piece for an advantage. knowing the name of the opening means an opponent wont take the pawn and the result will be decided later while when they don't know the name of the opening they will and try to protect the pawn and if they do that i'll probably win.

chess.com is influencing peoples moves which is changing the results of games.

PS: i'm not 100% sure i understood what your point was but i'm pretty sure i know.

   

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2Q1C wrote:

i agree it should be removed

what's your reason or is it the same as mine?

Avatar of DavidHHH
If it really helps anyone then it is in blitz. Outside blitz, user has all time in the world to consult a book, the Google, Wikipedia or whatever. In blitz, there is no time to cheat and less time to even pay attention to that extra piece of info. That's also why I only play blitz and bullet here - the only relatively fair game assured is there. In longer games there is more cheating.
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Nice
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SlickaLillPer wrote:
Nice

your comment is very vague. who are you saying it to? 

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2Q1C wrote:
gingerninja2003 wrote:
2Q1ridiculous. Sometimes I will play and it will show the word TRAP or gambit. This gives your opponent a heads up. The arbiter doesn't come over and announce the opening you're playing in OTB play so it should not be included in live.
C wrote:

i agree it should be removed

what's your reason or is it the same as mine?

 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-show-the-opening-in-live-chess

 It is

that's my point  it's ridicules and I've directly complained to chess.com  

Avatar of lutak22
I don't think it effects much.. some people take the pawn playing against queens gambit.. many others will not. Whether beginners or not..
Avatar of LuckyDan74
How many OTB games have you played 2Q1C?
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Ah ok, did they have an arbiter at the club?
Avatar of MickinMD

I don't see the advantage of know what the opening is - especially when there are so many transpositions possible early on. Here's a game recently I played offline:

1 e4 e5 2 Bc4  Bishop's Opening

2 ...Nf6  Bishop's Opening, Berlin Defense

3 d3 Bc5 4 Nc3 Possibly a Bishop's Opening or a Vienna Game

4...d6 5 Nf3 Giuoco Piano (Italian Game)

5...Nc6 Giuoco Pianissimo

Avatar of PawnosaurusRex

I don't think it matters. It hasn't helped me and I don't see how it would help anyone to know what a named line is. It does ease my curiosity during a game, though, and I appreciate it.

 

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MickinMD wrote:

I don't see the advantage of know what the opening is - especially when there are so many transpositions possible early on. Here's a game recently I played offline:

1 e4 e5 2 Bc4  Bishop's Opening

2 ...Nf6  Bishop's Opening, Berlin Defense

3 d3 Bc5 4 Nc3 Possibly a Bishop's Opening or a Vienna Game

4...d6 5 Nf3 Giuoco Piano (Italian Game)

5...Nc6 Giuoco Pianissimo

i've explained it. words like gambit and trap can influence people when these words are in the opening title.

Avatar of PawnosaurusRex

Having my curiosity eased is a benefit, but it doesn't help my game. I get dis-eased enough by checkmates and flags.

 

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PawnosaurusRex wrote:

I don't think it matters. It hasn't helped me and I don't see how it would help anyone to know what a named line is. It does ease my curiosity during a game, though, and I appreciate it.

 

judging by your rating you've never played an opening gambit where the word gambit is in the title of the opening otherwise because I've explained why it matters earlier on in the forum.

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LuckyDan74 wrote:
How many OTB games have you played 2Q1C?

is this the place to ask him. message him if you want to know.

Avatar of Martin_Stahl

There are some lines where the opening name might impact move choices, such as one with Gambit or Poisoned Pawn variation grin.png

 

Last I recall, it wasn't something they were looking at removing.

 

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