Should I flag my opponents?

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Go ahead! Your opponent used up the clock, punish em for it!

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Bruse84 wrote:
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joshchoong wrote:

I dont really like winning by flagging my opponents. It feels like a dirty way to win, especially when you are losing. I also feel like it inflates your rating as flagging does not really reflect your skill level. Is that just a normal part of playing chess, or should i avoid doing it?

Yes, it's perfectly fine to flag your opponents. Flagging is just a part of chess. It's your opponent's fault if they move too slow, and it's just like beating them by checkmate or resignation or something like that.

and when you won by clock a position clearly lost with 0.1" ? Is it the opponent "too slow" or you won just for luck? Cm'on! be honest, be fair... nobody will die if you resign in a position you deserve to loose

You do not deserve to lose a position you win on time in, and it doesn't really matter if you have 0.1 at the end. The clock is still a part of chess, and if you flag your opponent then it doesn't matter what the position is on the board.

This is a huge part of both blitz and bullet. Are you saying I should resign in that scenario in a speed chess game too? Nonsense. I won't resign because I was about to win.

It's still the same thing for rapid and classical time controls as well. Although it's not nearly as common that you get low on time, You still need to move fast enough to where you aren't going to lose on time.

I never consider it luck because I won on time, nor do I consider it luck for my opponent when I lose on time because, as I said in the thing I wrote that you quoted, flagging is a part of chess. Learn to use it correctly.

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exceptionalfork ha scritto:
Bruse84 wrote:
exceptionalfork ha scritto:
joshchoong wrote:

I dont really like winning by flagging my opponents. It feels like a dirty way to win, especially when you are losing. I also feel like it inflates your rating as flagging does not really reflect your skill level. Is that just a normal part of playing chess, or should i avoid doing it?

Yes, it's perfectly fine to flag your opponents. Flagging is just a part of chess. It's your opponent's fault if they move too slow, and it's just like beating them by checkmate or resignation or something like that.

and when you won by clock a position clearly lost with 0.1" ? Is it the opponent "too slow" or you won just for luck? Cm'on! be honest, be fair... nobody will die if you resign in a position you deserve to loose

You do not deserve to lose a position you win on time in, and it doesn't really matter if you have 0.1 at the end. The clock is still a part of chess, and if you flag your opponent then it doesn't matter what the position is on the board.

This is a huge part of both blitz and bullet. Are you saying I should resign in that scenario in a speed chess game too? Nonsense. I won't resign because I was about to win.

It's still the same thing for rapid and classical time controls as well. Although it's not nearly as common that you get low on time, You still need to move fast enough to where you aren't going to lose on time.

I never consider it luck because I won on time, nor do I consider it luck for my opponent when I lose on time because, as I said in the thing I wrote that you quoted, flagging is a part of chess. Learn to use it correctly.

are you don't understanding me or simply pretending to not understand?

I'm not arguing about the fact it's legal. I'm stating it is unfair. And I show you a case that happened many times: when someone win for 0.1".

I'm wondering: is the 0.1" enough to balance the completely lost position?

If you think the answer is "YES": ok, that's your opinion. I think the answer is "NO", so don't be bother if then you get the label of "flagger". Personally, I prefer being a "player", not a "flagger".

But I can understand many users choose to keep their rate, and loose their dignity.

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Bruse84 wrote:
exceptionalfork ha scritto:
Bruse84 wrote:
exceptionalfork ha scritto:
joshchoong wrote:

I dont really like winning by flagging my opponents. It feels like a dirty way to win, especially when you are losing. I also feel like it inflates your rating as flagging does not really reflect your skill level. Is that just a normal part of playing chess, or should i avoid doing it?

Yes, it's perfectly fine to flag your opponents. Flagging is just a part of chess. It's your opponent's fault if they move too slow, and it's just like beating them by checkmate or resignation or something like that.

and when you won by clock a position clearly lost with 0.1" ? Is it the opponent "too slow" or you won just for luck? Cm'on! be honest, be fair... nobody will die if you resign in a position you deserve to loose

You do not deserve to lose a position you win on time in, and it doesn't really matter if you have 0.1 at the end. The clock is still a part of chess, and if you flag your opponent then it doesn't matter what the position is on the board.

This is a huge part of both blitz and bullet. Are you saying I should resign in that scenario in a speed chess game too? Nonsense. I won't resign because I was about to win.

It's still the same thing for rapid and classical time controls as well. Although it's not nearly as common that you get low on time, You still need to move fast enough to where you aren't going to lose on time.

I never consider it luck because I won on time, nor do I consider it luck for my opponent when I lose on time because, as I said in the thing I wrote that you quoted, flagging is a part of chess. Learn to use it correctly.

are you don't understanding me or simply pretending to not understand?

I'm not arguing about the fact it's legal. I'm stating it is unfair. And I show you a case that happened many times: when someone win for 0.1".

I'm wondering: is the 0.1" enough to balance the completely lost position?

If you think the answer is "YES": ok, that's your opinion. I think the answer is "NO", so don't be bother if then you get the label of "flagger". Personally, I prefer being a "player", not a "flagger".

But I can understand many users choose to keep their rate, and loose their dignity.

I completely understood what you said. Not only is flagging legal, it's completely fair.

What I don't understand is, if you feel this way about flagging, why are 10,000 of your 10,700 games blitz? Just play daily chess. Flagging will rarely be an issue.

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I completely understood what you said. Not only is flagging legal, it's completely fair.

What I don't understand is, if you feel this way about flagging, why are 10,000 of your 10,700 games blitz? Just play daily chess. Flagging will rarely be an issue.

So, as people can't admit when defeted, I should change my way of selecting which match to play... Sounds smart ... sad.png

About the definition of "fair" it is clear we can't agree. Not my intention to teach you nothing... as I stated: continue playing as best as you can. If it is stealing the match with 0.1" under of 3 pieces, I'm happy you are delighted

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Yes. Time management is part of competitive Chess.

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Chessflyfisher ha scritto:

Yes. Time management is part of competitive Chess.

again: agreed.

I state that there is time management and time management. Win for 0.1" from a clearly lost position (eg. M1) it's legal, but not fair.

Winning with 1' in a almost balanced position is fair and right.

we can pretend it's the same, but it is from a rule pov, not from the "moral" one. Not understanding this difference it's just for loosers.