Should opening books be allowed?

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tryst

Musikamole, if you ask one more question I'm going to call the police on Ziryab.

Musikamole
Ziryab wrote:
tryst wrote:

Ziryab,

If I play through one more "silly opening" I'm going to have to call the police on you.


Sometimes, my opponent interferes with my plans:

 


 Oh my, that was brilliant play. Laughing Laughing Laughing How many opponents do you think have smoke pouring out their ears after getting hornswoggled by the silly opening. Laughing

Musikamole
tryst wrote:

Musikamole, if you ask one more question I'm going to call the police on Ziryab.


 Laughing Fair enough. I will only post that which enlightens the chess community, contributes to the body of knowledge, followed by long winded dissertations on the meaning of chess, life, the universe and everything. I think that about sums it up. Wink

Ziryab
Musikamole wrote:

Soon I will purchase ChessBase Light for my database. How will this help my cc games?

I know what opening books can do, i.e., 1.e4 e6. What is the next best move? Oh, it's the French Defense and the book tells me to play 2. d4.

Moving ahead, when I find myself past book lines for the French, could a huge database perform a search that would show me several good moves that were made after the opening line I played?

How many moves deep into the middlegame could a huge database take a player?


A quick search of games since 2001 played by GMs with both players' ratings over 2700 in the ECO codes C01 to C19 (French Defense) produced 269 games. I can print these in a repertoire tree, but it requires 38 sheets of paper.

The deepest I've ever followed another game in correspondence chess was move 24 (from a book on the closed Spanish). In the French, we nearly always leave "book" by move 14. Against most of my local OTB opponents, our French games are in book 10-12 moves in. See "French Defense!" for an illustrative game where my opponent deviated on move 11 to his peril. One week later, he was in the same position in a casual game against another player (both had read my blog).

Fromper

My games usually stay in book 6-8 moves, but I also don't play the most mainstream openings. When I do play very mainstream openings (Closed Ruy Lopez as black, for instance), I sometimes stay in book as much as 14-15 moves. But even when we deviate from book in correspondence games, I'll sometimes study the moves of a few complete master games in similar positions, just to get a better feel for the overall plans, even though the move order will be different.

--Fromper

Musikamole
Ziryab wrote:
Musikamole wrote:

How many moves deep into the middlegame could a huge database take a player?


A quick search of games since 2001 played by GMs with both players' ratings over 2700 in the ECO codes C01 to C19 (French Defense) produced 269 games. 

A good resource for study. - Musikamole

 

 See "French Defense!" for an illustrative game where my opponent deviated on move 11 to his peril.


 Very nice annotation. A good read. Smile

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Zardorian
If it’s OK to do this, then people should broadcast that that’s how they’re going to play. It’s legal right? So why not tell your opponent? I have no interest in playing you if you use a book. Some of the games i’ve played actually make more sense to me now. There should be one place for people to play assisted, like that, and another place where they don’t. I’ve never used books and never will.
daxypoo
i dont think i do daily chess correctly

i end up with a player who, like me, essentially play blitz chess with the ability to use opening explorer and analysis board

so not only do i not benefit from taking a day to think out a move; my live chess play goes down the tubes

i think i’m doing it weong
MorphysMayhem
artfizz wrote:

Reference materials have been allowed (and encouraged) within Correspondence Chess for hundreds (if not thousands!) of years. I guess chess.com didn't want to be the first one to challenge the protocol.

False, correspondence chess has not existed that long. 😁

MustangMate
Morphys-Revenge wrote:
artfizz wrote:

Reference materials have been allowed (and encouraged) within Correspondence Chess for hundreds (if not thousands!) of years. I guess chess.com didn't want to be the first one to challenge the protocol.

False, correspondence chess has not existed that long. 😁

False

In the 18th century, Frederick the Great (1712-1786) played a correspondence game with his early tutor, Voltaire (1694-1778), by royal courier between Berlin and Paris.

Correspondence games took place earlier. Many such games in the 1800's took place, becoming very popular at the end of the century.

In asking why are books allowed ...?  A not so trivial point is chess engines did not exist when protocols were made. 2nd. Many of the matches were Club vs Club or Country vs Country, where the match was a Team event. and players could select moves by consensus.

Most often cited is "it can't be prevented" as the leading reason. A distortion. There are sites, which offer the opportunity to play by gentleman's agreement - no books. Cheating the rules can be done at any time control, any format. It is assumed players will be ethical. 

dannyhume
Why doesn’t correspondence chess allow engines? Why only opening books and databases (other people’s research, often with an engine), but not your actual own?