Should we get rid of stalemate?

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king_of_faluoopys

Stalemates are making you look at the little details but to a lot players its a bit fustrating.

blueemu
king_of_faluoopys wrote:

you a rook and a queen up and the screen says stalemate i wouldn't want that

If you're a Rook and a Queen up and can't figure out how to checkmate your opponent, then you don't DESERVE the full point.

king_of_faluoopys

i simply take all the pieces of the board and then electric fence him its simpler

BradClooney

It's a pathetic rule.Simple change.If your only move is into check you lose.

Bulliedofthesite

I just pulled a stalemate out of certain defeat. Pretty chuffed

lfPatriotGames
BradClooney wrote:

It's a pathetic rule.Simple change.If your only move is into check you lose.

They tried that. It didn't work. 

The reason stalemate is a draw is because the rule used to be if your only move was into check, you would lose. But they found that was pathetic. So it was very simple, they changed it. 

There are several different ways to lose a game of chess, (resignation, lose on time, disqualified, etc) but there is only one way to lose by moving the pieces. Checkmate. That means the opponent must end the game by moving pieces. You are not allowed to do it. Suicide is not allowed. 

The rule not allowing a king to move into check in a stalemate is consistent with all the other times a king is not allowed to move into check. It just doesn't make sense to have it any other way. What would the point be in not allowing the king to move into check EXCEPT when it's his only move? Why should that suddenly be allowed?

Imagine a game where there are still lots of pieces on the board. One side has only two moves, one where the king moves into check, the other a normal knight move. But the player simply does not see the knight move, as there are still so many pieces on the board. So he thinks his only move is to move his king into check (stalemate). So he moves his king into check. So with your idea, that's a loss right? But it's not, he had another legal move and moving his king into check is not allowed. What then?

pfren

 

 

With stalemate gone, this elementary ending is an easy win for white.

And a few thousands of other examples may follow.

mpaetz

     Yes. And without stalemate possibilities in the endings, play (especially at top levels) would become even more defensive than it is now. If it's riskier to sac a pawn or accept a pawn weakness because drawing chances are greatly reduced, bold and speculative play must take a back seat to safety first among those whose livelihood depends on tournament results.

hermarchus

I commented on this thread some time ago and I have changed my mind. Then I suggested we allow a half victory, 3/4 points, to the player who stalemates his opponent. Now I am so annoyed at the crybabies who want to abolish it I think we should go back to the old rule that the player who stalemates his opponent loses. You will get 0 points, not 1/2, and your opponent gets 1

Illbtu

Yes, let’s abolish the stalemate. Why not?!?

 

I have other freaking ideas from the same range of sight…

-          When you accept a gambit you shall be declared a winner of the game since you’R up a pawn.

-          When someone is ahead materialisticly, that someone is not ALLOWED to surrender.  

-          Exchange-sacrifice is not permitted.

-          Sacrifice is not permitted

-          If you checkmate with a double check that shall count as a double victory. (Hmmm… Now… hold a min… that is not bad is it?meh.png)

-          “Mad Rooks” must be committed to a “home”. And, where is that U may ask? Well, where someone who is a “stalemate-rule-abolishment- suggester” call their home, “AN ASYLUM”! Wuhaahhaaaaaaevil.png

Illbtu
Illbtu wrote:

Yes, let’s abolish the stalemate. Why not?!?

 

 range of sight…

 

I ment I have other freaking ideas from the same "DRAWER"

Wuhaahhaaaaaa evil.png

Illbtu

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varelse1
pfren wrote:

 

 

With stalemate gone, this elementary ending is an easy win for white.

And a few thousands of other examples may follow.

Agreed Pfren.

Toad1258

if you stalemate people a lot yes, but if you get stalemated alot no

Toad1258

stalemate can be your last hope in games just like repetition

Toad1258

but it can also be your opponents last hope

Get_Checked1

yo why everyone posting this

stop ruining the pog feeling of making your opponent fall for the Eric Rosen trap (if you don't know what it is look it up, write something like "eric rosen chess trap" or something idk)

 

 

 

Ubik42
Done!

I already feel sorry for my next opponent. Surprise surprise!
Illbtu
Illbtu wrote:
Illbtu wrote:

Yes, let’s abolish the stalemate. Why not?!?

 

 range of sight…

 

I ment I have other freaking ideas from the same "DRAWER"

Wuhaahhaaaaaa

Stalemate ... DRAW-er... ahhhh ... I'll give up... 

ph3llin
ThrillerFan wrote:
jurassicmark wrote:

In my opinion (everybody's got one) if your position is so bad that you can't make ANY legal move, you deserve to lose.  The rules could have easily been set up for this relatively rare contingency.  

And, I don't remember every losing a game because of stalemate, so it's not personal.

You have a major flaw in your logic.  Not having a legal move doesn't make your position bad.  I once had the following position in a tournament game - Note that it's not letting me post a diagram - When I get to the Preview Screen, the button is missing to actually submit it - Is this a Firefox error or a Chess.com error?

WHITE - Kh3, Rb2, P's f6, g3, g4
BLACK - Kg6, Re1, P's f7, g5, h6

Black has the better pawns, but no way to make progress.  It is Black to move.  The game went:

1...Kxf6 (If 1...Kh7 or any other waiting move, then 2.Re2 Rh1+ 3.Kg2 Ra1 4.Kh3 and While each time Black gets 1 tempo, he can't make progress) 2.Rf2+ Ke6 (or 2...Kg7 3.Re2 with the same problem with making progress) 3.Re2+!! Rxe2 1/2-1/2

Without the stalemate Rule, we'd be sitting there for ever until it became a R+P vs R ending in all likelihood.

 

Why should it be a draw.. black played a better game and if there aren’t draws and was truly played out black would be up by a pawn at the end. That means they beat you no? Didn’t beat you by a lot but you surely would say black won that game if you we’re to declare a winner.. and if you can declare a winner then you should. If the game was even but they found a way to take a peice from you they should win.