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AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

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Jazzmanneobop wrote:

AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

It sounds like they've changed things around then. Because the games played on Chess.com create files with the ELO tags included, they still work. However, without ELO information about the players being included, the routines were making very inaccurate estimates (I had some of my own games produce values like 2600 for example, and I think my average ended up being 1850ish, which is too high (this includes both games I've won and lost). So, it appears the routines won't produce an estimate without ELO values anymore. It may only need a value for one of the players, just something to benchmark to. It was working for Martin still because apparently his account is still connected to the older version, while yours and mine are connected to the newer version. If you're uploading games, while it is a pain, you can just edit the PGN file to add in your current rating for yourself (provided one rating is enough). If you know the rating of your opponent, you can add that in too.

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AngusByers wrote:
Jazzmanneobop wrote:

AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

It sounds like they've changed things around then. Because the games played on Chess.com create files with the ELO tags included, they still work. However, without ELO information about the players being included, the routines were making very inaccurate estimates (I had some of my own games produce values like 2600 for example, and I think my average ended up being 1850ish, which is too high (this includes both games I've won and lost). So, it appears the routines won't produce an estimate without ELO values anymore. It may only need a value for one of the players, just something to benchmark to. It was working for Martin still because apparently his account is still connected to the older version, while yours and mine are connected to the newer version. If you're uploading games, while it is a pain, you can just edit the PGN file to add in your current rating for yourself (provided one rating is enough). If you know the rating of your opponent, you can add that in too.

or you can plug in 2000 as a rating and you will get the same fun ratings as before. But, it does work now just have to plug in a rating to a non chess.com game.

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RuFour86 wrote:
AngusByers wrote:
Jazzmanneobop wrote:

AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

It sounds like they've changed things around then. Because the games played on Chess.com create files with the ELO tags included, they still work. However, without ELO information about the players being included, the routines were making very inaccurate estimates (I had some of my own games produce values like 2600 for example, and I think my average ended up being 1850ish, which is too high (this includes both games I've won and lost). So, it appears the routines won't produce an estimate without ELO values anymore. It may only need a value for one of the players, just something to benchmark to. It was working for Martin still because apparently his account is still connected to the older version, while yours and mine are connected to the newer version. If you're uploading games, while it is a pain, you can just edit the PGN file to add in your current rating for yourself (provided one rating is enough). If you know the rating of your opponent, you can add that in too.

or you can plug in 2000 as a rating and you will get the same fun ratings as before. But, it does work now just have to plug in a rating to a non chess.com game.

ha ha! Yes, there is always that option. I suppose if I wanted to use them to track improvement, though, I could just enter my current average based upon what I've got. Then, I can use that to evaluate if I've played above or below average relative to my previous performance. In the end, that's really what I want these for and I'm not fussed about whether or not the estimated value would translate to a value obtained elsewhere.

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AngusByers wrote:
RuFour86 wrote:
AngusByers wrote:
Jazzmanneobop wrote:

AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

It sounds like they've changed things around then. Because the games played on Chess.com create files with the ELO tags included, they still work. However, without ELO information about the players being included, the routines were making very inaccurate estimates (I had some of my own games produce values like 2600 for example, and I think my average ended up being 1850ish, which is too high (this includes both games I've won and lost). So, it appears the routines won't produce an estimate without ELO values anymore. It may only need a value for one of the players, just something to benchmark to. It was working for Martin still because apparently his account is still connected to the older version, while yours and mine are connected to the newer version. If you're uploading games, while it is a pain, you can just edit the PGN file to add in your current rating for yourself (provided one rating is enough). If you know the rating of your opponent, you can add that in too.

or you can plug in 2000 as a rating and you will get the same fun ratings as before. But, it does work now just have to plug in a rating to a non chess.com game.

ha ha! Yes, there is always that option. I suppose if I wanted to use them to track improvement, though, I could just enter my current average based upon what I've got. Then, I can use that to evaluate if I've played above or below average relative to my previous performance. In the end, that's really what I want these for and I'm not fussed about whether or not the estimated value would translate to a value obtained elsewhere.

Also, there is value in the coaches comments and im glad to have that feature back!

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Ok, just to confirm, it does work. I just played a quick game against the Nelson-bot, downloaded the PGN, added 1 tag for Nelson's rating of 1300 to the PGN file [WhiteElo "1300"] (and note, Elo must be that case, not WhiteELO, etc). Then, ran a review, and now I get an estimated ELO value for an uploaded game! happy.png

Got there eventually.

Thanks for all the help and ideas. Would be nice if they got rid of the case sensitivity as that will no doubt lead to all sorts of problems.

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no they shouldnt get rid of it imo

thats like allowing WHITE PLAYER to be in the section like that

Elo is a persons name NOT an abbreviation

why should anyone have a persons name in full caps

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Jazzmanneobop wrote:

AngusByers - seems like a complex solution. I will try what you say to do but I swear it was working 1.5 weeks ago and you did not have to enter estimated ELOs for the analysis to produce an ELO rating for the game being analyzed. Thanks!

It was but a change was made due to the code producing bad estimates on games with no ratings. The code actually uses that information in it's calculations.

It still works in the beta, just not on the main codebase.

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Ilampozhil25 wrote:

no they shouldnt get rid of it imo

thats like allowing WHITE PLAYER to be in the section like that

Elo is a persons name NOT an abbreviation

why should anyone have a persons name in full caps

I've changed my mind on that. The PGN tags are, by the format standards, case sensitive. I had misremembered that and thought they were suppose to be case insensitive.