Social Media Magnates like Gotham Chess saying "Never Resign" Ruin the Sportsmanship of the Game

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How does it ruin the game? If you love chess, and even better, make money from streaming and playing tournaments, why not pursue that until you don’t want to?
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Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect for being outplayed by your opponent. Streamers like Gothamchess have advised that you should not resign regardless of the evaluation because your opponent flag or make a mistake. That degrades the sportsmanship of the game. It has nothing to do with them getting money from streaming. Get your bag.

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Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect for being outplayed by your opponent. Streamers like Gothamchess have advised that you should not resign regardless of the evaluation because your opponent flag or make a mistake. That degrades the sportsmanship of the game. It has nothing to do with them getting money from streaming. Get your bag.

I like to promote to B's and/or N's when I have plenty of time, provided the opponent has no pieces left. I turn such situations into exercises for myself.

I think more people should do like I do.

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GM's resign to other GM's in respect to the fact they obviously know the moves that will end in checkmate. That is all.

You should never resign if you have a possibility of winning. Even if you don't, you gain experience from playing it out.

The only poor sportsmanship is from people complaining that other people didn't resign to them. They have every right to play it out and it is your job to finish them off.

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JaymesThompson wrote:

Social Media Magnates like Gotham Chess saying "Never Resign" Ruin the Sportsmanship of the Game

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llama_l wrote:
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Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect

Resigning out of respect is stupid. I've never resigned out of respect lol.

You resign when your chances of not-losing are near zero.

No no no. This was years ago. Ya know? Back in the day?

"In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."

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I'm sick of seeing this guy being promoted on this platform. He's a click baiter who continually uses superlative descriptions to drag people in. I unsubscribed because of this. Is he using sock puppet accounts to promote his channel? There are better chess channels IMO.

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If you know you're cooked then fine, resign. But if you suspect they might not know the endgame play on. That chance would fall off at the higher levels but for a long time for most people the majority of folks won't know for sure. It could be argued that until advanced levels make me prove I know my endgame material.

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JaymesThompson wrote:

Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect for being outplayed by your opponent. Streamers like Gothamchess have advised that you should not resign regardless of the evaluation because your opponent flag or make a mistake. That degrades the sportsmanship of the game. It has nothing to do with them getting money from streaming. Get your bag.

actually if you allow the opponent to play out the game, it will probably feel better for your opponent since first, he gets the glory of checkmating you instead of winning by resignation, second, it doesn't degrade the sportsmanship because in normal play, there is a chance to mess up because we are not GMs playing here.

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JaymesThompson wrote:

Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect for being outplayed by your opponent. Streamers like Gothamchess have advised that you should not resign regardless of the evaluation because your opponent flag or make a mistake. That degrades the sportsmanship of the game. It has nothing to do with them getting money from streaming. Get your bag.

Ur probably one of those people who was winning, wanted their opponent to resign, but their opponent didn't resign and managed to swindle the game

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Gotham says never resign in case an opponent blunders. That's just one example. I resign but I understand what he's saying. You never know, a win is a win no matter how ugly it was to attain.

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Top players resign but low rated players can easily give away a winning position. Hes talking about lower rated players shouldnt resign. Thats how they learn end games. If they resigned every time they would never learn the nuances of the end game and lose to a good end game player.

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llama_l wrote:
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Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect

Resigning out of respect is stupid. I've never resigned out of respect lol.

You resign when your chances of not-losing are near zero.

All 51 of your blitz game losses are by resignation, and 33% of your bullet games are. You don't seem to be accurately representing yourself there.

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arjunjagan wrote:
JaymesThompson wrote:

Years ago, if you had a losing position you would resign the game out of respect for being outplayed by your opponent. Streamers like Gothamchess have advised that you should not resign regardless of the evaluation because your opponent flag or make a mistake. That degrades the sportsmanship of the game. It has nothing to do with them getting money from streaming. Get your bag.

Ur probably one of those people who was winning, wanted their opponent to resign, but their opponent didn't resign and managed to swindle the game

No need to personally attack people in this discussion. happy.png

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GM's resign to other GM's in respect to the fact they obviously know the moves that will end in checkmate. That is all.

You should never resign if you have a possibility of winning. Even if you don't, you gain experience from playing it out.

The only poor sportsmanship is from people complaining that other people didn't resign to them. They have every right to play it out and it is your job to finish them off.

I don't know about that. A lot of people don't resign when they have 0% of winning because they want to do an Eric Rosen style stalemate, even if they're in a K+Q v K, or they try to flag.

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If you have a chance of stalemate you should go for it.

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If you can draw instead of losing you should go for it also. If you can find a perpetual check you should go for it.

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gotham says never resign because his audience is primarily 1000 rated kids.

OPs opponents never resign because he has 48,000 games in bullet.

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gotham chess mainly says this because viewers are like 500 rated and they blunder every other move