Lots of variety of tournaments to suit all tastes so I agree with #3 CMDRExorcist . The tournament director can also impose average hourly move rate to discourage slow players gaining access or inappropriate play so a lot of bases can be covered already. In my limited experience not encountered many problems with bad sportsmanship . Obvious poor play / behaviour in certain circumstances should be able to be dealt within the set rules. LeeEular makes a lot of good points in his blogpost but would prefer to see an official response to these suggestions.
Sportsmanship and time limits in Daily chess
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It’s not so easily cut and dry - as people would like rules to be. Rules can not be made- if they can not be enforced. CC can only make suggestions in such cases- what behavior is preferred.
A good example is the use of a 2nd board during live games. There is no rule against it - policy states the practice is discouraged and highly encourages players to play their live games with only the board in front of them. No rule can be written stating the practice is not allowed- as detection is impossible. Hence any such rule is unenforceable. Some interpret the absence of a rule prohibiting a specific practice as endorsing it. Not always the case. Daily chess has it’s own examples. The rules regarding fair play differ at times between Live and Daily. The rules are written in general language for a reason. Face to face, managing ethical behavior is straightforward. Less tolerance for unsportsmanlike behavior is seen. Not such an easy task over the net. Members often mistakenly insert their own interpretations and greatly complicate things.
A link to some rules that are really quite simple- so simple in fact many members butcher the entire guideline.
https://support.chess.com/article/317-what-counts-as-cheating-on-chess-com
Ideas were suggested about how to speed up the game with the server automatically making forced moves in Daily. Good idea in theory - but I’d have to take exception to a bot making any of my moves - even if they are forced. It is my game. No one touches my pieces but myself !
Jun 27, 2021
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RS1650-16k wrote:
Lots of variety of tournaments to suit all tastes so I agree with #3 CMDRExorcist . The tournament director can also impose average hourly move rate to discourage slow players gaining access or inappropriate play so a lot of bases can be covered already. In my limited experience not encountered many problems with bad sportsmanship . Obvious poor play / behaviour in certain circumstances should be able to be dealt within the set rules. LeeEular makes a lot of good points in his blogpost but would prefer to see an official response to these suggestions.
He can BUT you know the time movement allowance when you sign up!
I did join a tournament where the average move has to be 12 hours
Jun 27, 2021
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LeeEuler wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Using allotted time… is that a violation of policy? I doubt it, considering all forms of chess have a time control here.
I see what you're saying, but then why would they put "mak[ing] the opponent wait unnecessarily" in their policy/what else could it mean?
For example, if you're in a 10 min game and your opponent takes 9:59 for a move hoping you'll time out, the argument could be made that they were just using their allotted time. But if that sort of thing isn't "mak[ing] the opponent wait unnecessarily", what is?
Oh, right. Stalling. Good point.
Jun 27, 2021
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JackRussell9 wrote:
Our American friends should read the 'sportsmanship' section which states that players should not ' stall to make opponents wait unnecessarily.'
Yes, they can take every second allowed, but that's not sportsmanship. No surprise the Yanks don't get it.
Well, as a “Yank” as you put it, I’ll admit that using your agreed upon time limit (1 minute through 14 days) is within the rules IF you are truly playing ethically. It is true that some will stall in a losing position. This is unethical and unnecessarily stalling, which I believe is a violation of proper sportsmanship. I’ve experienced it as well and chose to move on to other games. BTW-I’ve reported a player for this and no, he wasn’t a “Yank.” The player went on to play in other games while “using” their allotted time. Best to leave the nationality out of the debate my friend.
Jun 27, 2021
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StormCentre3 wrote:
Ideas were suggested about how to speed up the game with the server automatically making forced moves in Daily. Good idea in theory - but I’d have to take exception to a bot making any of my moves - even if they are forced. It is my game. No one touches my pieces but myself !
Yes, what if the bot is setup to be better than the player?
I do hate winning matches on timeouts, especially if I am behind a little, kinda sucks and I don't want rating points because of it to be honest
Jun 27, 2021
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JackRussell9 wrote:
Our American friends should read the 'sportsmanship' section which states that players should not ' stall to make opponents wait unnecessarily.'
Yes, they can take every second allowed, but that's not sportsmanship. No surprise the Yanks don't get it.
That is for Live chess.
The only time related rule for Daily is Vacation Abuse.
Jun 27, 2021
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#30
Martin_Stahl wrote:
JackRussell9 wrote:
Our American friends should read the 'sportsmanship' section which states that players should not ' stall to make opponents wait unnecessarily.'
Yes, they can take every second allowed, but that's not sportsmanship. No surprise the Yanks don't get it.
That is for Live chess.
The only time related rule for Daily is Vacation Abuse.
if you are in charge of a tournament and somebody uses vacation on a no vacation tournment I guess you can forfeit their games
Jun 27, 2021
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#31
millerd66 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
JackRussell9 wrote:
Our American friends should read the 'sportsmanship' section which states that players should not ' stall to make opponents wait unnecessarily.'
Yes, they can take every second allowed, but that's not sportsmanship. No surprise the Yanks don't get it.
That is for Live chess.
The only time related rule for Daily is Vacation Abuse.
if you are in charge of a tournament and somebody uses vacation on a no vacation tournment I guess you can forfeit their games
... Chess.com doesn't even allow that to happen...
Martin is right and the OP is wrong. You can use all the time that is given to you. No one is forcing you to play. You can choose the time control when you go to play.
Jun 27, 2021
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ajl721x wrote:
A 3-day game means you can use up to 3 days to make a move for EVERY move. Therefore, it is not a sportsmanship violation and does not count as stalling.
Is using 3 days to move when you have one legal move in a forced mating sequence bad sportsmanship?
I remember reading about it in a book as a tactic to be used in correspondence.
Jun 27, 2021
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Brick-O-Rama wrote:
Martin is right and the OP is wrong. You can use all the time that is given to you. No one is forcing you to play. You can choose the time control when you go to play.
AMEN!!!!
Jun 27, 2021
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#36
AunTheKnight wrote:
ajl721x wrote:
A 3-day game means you can use up to 3 days to make a move for EVERY move. Therefore, it is not a sportsmanship violation and does not count as stalling.
Is using 3 days to move when you have one legal move in a forced mating sequence bad sportsmanship?
No, because that extra time could be used to analyze the following positions.
Sep 16, 2021
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Well said, JackRussel. I agree that it’s not a violation but it’s often a deliberate tactic to wear players down so they withdraw. More disturbing is those that play as slowly as possible so they cannot be withdrawn from the tournament mid game and therefore go through to next round - my experience is that they are probably cheating. I now set up daily tournaments that state clearly that players should make 2 or more moves a day, 16 a week minimum.
Sep 16, 2021
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#38
If you do not want to wait 72 hours for a move, do not play 3 day dailies. Play one day dailies instead.
Sep 16, 2021
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#39
It is only bad sportsmanship when one is stalling a clearly lost or dead drawn game. Otherwise taking your time is perfectly fine. It is daily chess, it is supposed to be slow.
Sep 16, 2021
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#40
StormCentre3 wrote:
In the extreme- Mate in one and the opponent goes on vacation. Stuff happens. Staff will not intervene in any way. No rule has been violated.
Actually in this case staff may intervene, as it can be interpreted as vacation abuse:
https://support.chess.com/article/639-what-is-vacation-abuse
Chess.com has the right to adjudicate any game in which we feel one of the players is using vacation time to intentionally delay a game when in a lost position.
Got it, makes sense. It is always murky when there is an element of subjectivity like that in the TOS