Sportsmanship at chess.com? i doubt it...

hello!

 Recently i encountered several times where the system caused a missmove through lag (as example several games open) or other accidents. I usually just move something arround so we get back to original position and redo this move. 

I dont wanna win a game cause system messed up the game so thats why i do this.

Just about now i played vs another player and was leading the game and was obvious which move i would do next but for whatever reason the system made a different move and missplaced a rook from me by one square. I told my opponent directly so before he moved even and well i dont know what i expected maybe sportsmanship but i guess that aint coming arround here too often if not from my side. Well i lost this game cause i decided to resign for the reason i dont wanna play with ppl which lack fairness big time.

Now i made this post for a reason. i wanna ask this Community how would you react if there is clearly a missplaced move by system? ignore it take the points? be "fair" let position redo? just wondering.

regards Manu_B 

 Sorry you lost a game that way, i have never had the system misplace a piece but if my opponent plays a bad move and then tells me it was the systems fault the move was played how am i to know he is being honest. Just one of the problems with internet chess i would like to believe everyone plays fairly and honestly but that just isn't the way it is. Unless he can prove to me somehow the system caused the wrong move then i will probably take the points.

 its not the game which makes me mad to some decent its the "fairness" or lack of it shown which is. and i was talking from a very clear situation where everyone at ches.com could tell you this wasnt an intended move but a messed up by system. but thanks for the feedback

 What a fortunate slip!

I have played over 800 correspondence games on here and another site, and probably a few hundred more blitz games online. I've never had a "system error" screw up my games. I'm wondering if someone can explain an example of how it happens, because I'm not able to come upon this understanding on my own.

I apologize if I'm just being thickheaded...

Having said that... even in the case of a "system's bad" situation, I can hardly fathom requiring the other player to fix it for you. He sees the position, and must make his best move. To require different of him is what seems unfair.

I am currently playing an unrated game and made an obvious blunder, my opponent offered to move his bishop and then move it back so I could replace blundered piece. This was a great gesture of not only sportsmanship, but wanting to keep the position interesting. But it was HIS idea. I don't think I would ever ask such a thing from an opponent. This is simply my way of seeing internet chess.

I don't know if everyone here got exactly what people are talking about when they say "submit move" button, so I will run you through it.

On your 'my online chess' page there is a box on the top right with 8 options in it. The bottom right is called 'settings.' Click on it. Scroll down to 'move preferences' and click on the option for 'submit move.' (the top option) Then scroll down to the bottom and click 'save preferences.'

Now you will never have this problem again. If you mess up your move, you can still fix it before you click the 'submit' button. Hope that helps. 

And in case you were wondering...

People seem very unforgiving to your complaint because you are the one who decides to play 'touch move.' It is assumed that, when you play touch move, you are accepting the possibility of making a mistake. It is also assumed that, when you do make a mistake, your opponent is under no onus to rectify it. If you are not willing to accept any mistakes you make when moving, you should change your options from touch move, as I explained in my last post.

Ahhhhhh!!!!!!!!! (queenie screaming! I just seen the bug) well I am a girl and we hate bugs))

Generally, I like to give an opponent the benefit of a doubt, and if they tell me their finger did slip and they made a move they never intended to make, we'll find a way to get back to the original position, or maybe just call it a draw and replay it.  However, this is not something I expect other people to do, so I try to make sure that I'm careful when making my moves.  If I make an error, I won't ask to take it back unless my opponent offers to do so.

Having said that, the attitude of the person I'm playing also plays heavily into that decision.  I was playing chess on a real-time site recently, and a player asked to take back the move they made.  Fine, I granted his request, and after a minute or two, moved a piece that was different from the one he moved originally and further, didn't even thank me for granting his request.  Then three moves later, he made a move (missing a potentially lethal fork) and requested an undo again.  I turned him down this time and he unleashed a tirade of obsenities and accused me of poor sportsmanship.  A dozen or so moves later, he abandoned the game.  So I think the reason most people don't like the 'accident' excuse is that they don't know when it's legit and when it's abuse so they take the guesswork out of it and simply refuse to budge in any circumstance.  I respect that and that's fair.  I personally don't like to win because someone sneezed at the wrong moment, but I'm also wary of people who chronically have problems making moves they never intended to make. 

I've played about 70 or so games here and this is only come up once.  I've played about 200 or so real time internet games in the past while and it's come up at least 40 times.  I think there's a general understanding here that once the move is made, it is made and that is that.  That's why there's no undo request buttons here.

ummm this is NOT a bug. it is user error. i play touch-move and have, maybe twice out of thousands of moves, accidentally moved a piece to the wrong square. once it made me lose, and once it was actually a better move than i had planned (sorry dutchdefense! :D ).

the touch-move is OFF by default, so NOBODY should have this problem unless they choose to. 

the problem with introducing takebacks is that people will then start to be more careless, or will be more offended if people DON'T accept their takeback. so they will choose to request a takeback, and then stall out for 3 days waiting for their opponent to accept, and when they don't, bad blood will happen. so it would introduce LONGER games, and more contention for the <0.001% of the time that people make mouseslips.

i'm open to hearing opposing points of view, but that is how we see it :) 

You are right Erik ! I play on sites that have the takeback option and it only creates problems and "bad blood" as you say. With the submit option here there should never be any reason for takeback, either use submit option or stop whining !

 I HATE YOU!  THAT'S A HORIIBLE IDEA, IDIOT.

Oh, wait.  I like that idea.  You're awesome.