Stalemate is the most senseless rule ever

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EndgameEnthusiast2357

Stalemate is the most logical draw ever.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

LOL

EndgameEnthusiast2357

It's a STALEmate-S T A L E, meaning dead, drawn

EndgameEnthusiast2357

What does "mate" mean?

EndgameEnthusiast2357

I don't know, what does "does" mean?

Liverpool_FC_1892
I think stalemate makes sense because if he can't move, there's nothing you can do. So you'll just be stuck at that position, since no one can move.
IlMave

Yeah, you've got apoint, what do you think, should happen at that situation, I ask those who are against stalemate. 

IlMave

Why is this marked as "off topic" by the way?

EndgameEnthusiast2357

The main problem with stalemate being a win is what happens in insufficient mating material endgames, where it's impossible to force mate but possible to force stalemate? It's a draw because mate is impossible,  but one shouldn't be able to win when checkmate is not possible via stalemate

Liverpool_FC_1892

Exactly.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Imagine getting stalemated by a king and 2 knights...

SillyPants71

  If he can't move, he forfeits his move and it becomes your turn.  If you can't move, then it's a draw.  If you don't like having to forfeit your move, don't get yourself into a situation where none of your pieces can make a legal move.

 

 

Martin_Stahl
SillyPants71 wrote:

  If he can't move, he forfeits his move and it becomes your turn.  If you can't move, then it's a draw.  If you don't like having to forfeit your move, don't get yourself into a situation where none of your pieces can make a legal move.

 

 

 

Most stalemates are not because you get yourself in that situation, most are because your opponent's poor planning or play. By that logic, stalemate should be a win for the stalemated side tongue.png

 

 

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Nah, but definitely not a win for the stalemate. One shouldn't be able to win with a king and knight by stalemate, when checkmark isn't even possible.

USArmyParatrooper

Both players play by the same rules. There is plethora of stunningly brilliant stalemate tricks that have been played by GMs in a losing position. Good on them. 

And guess what. When I’m in a winning end game I learned to slow down so I don’t make a boneheaded move, stalemating my opponent’s king. 

EndgameEnthusiast2357

exactly, stalemate is the best draw rule ever!

EndgameEnthusiast2357

When I'm in an endgame where I have a queen and bishop vs lone king, I sac the bishop to simplify things so I don't have to worry about stalemate

Nordlandia

Both mate and stalemate immediately ends the game on the spot. The clock is not relevant anymore. Not unless very little time left. 

eric0022
EndgameStudier wrote:

When I'm in an endgame where I have a queen and bishop vs lone king, I sac the bishop to simplify things so I don't have to worry about stalemate

 

This is because we are very faimilar with the checkmating procedure with a king and a queen. A bishop can assist with the queen, but it may also contribute to the blocking of a king's escape unintentionally such that a stalemate exists. For me, I always put the bishop on corners a1, a8, h1, h8, a2, b1 etc. depending on where the enemy king is, knowing that players may choose to decline my free bishop. For example, if the Black king is on a8, I will place my light squared White bishop on h1/h8 or my dark-squared White bishop on a2/b1/g8/h7.