Stalemate sucks and it needs to be removed

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BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

If you don't move your king out of check or move you king into check, who is breaking the rule?

Boxing and MMA rule:

"You protect yourself . . . at all times."

Chess is a mind game mma even if there is phycology behind it is a fighting game...

BigChessplayer665
jetoba wrote:

Hanging a queen is something that can happen with a legal move.

Leaving a king in check (or moving a king into check, or moving away a piece that is blocking check) is a disallowed illegal move and needs to be undone. Moving Pg2-g5 orNg1-e3 or Bc1-g4 or Rh4-b5 are also illegal moves and need to be undone (even if you are able to capture the Knight on e3 or the Bishop on g4 or the Rook on b5 or the Pawn on g5 you are not allowed to do so because the move was impossible to legally make). In FIDE two illegal moves lose the game.

Asking why the King cannot be captured is similar to asking why bishops have to move diagonally, why rooks have to move orthogonally, why knights have to move in an L shape and are allowed to jump over pieces, why a pawn can move one or two squares on the first move and only one thereafter.

Pretty much every endeavor has basic rules. One example is the arithmetic proof below that only fails because of violating a basic rule:

Let a=b

Multiplying both sides by a gives a*a = a*b

subtracting b*b from both sides gives a*a - b*b = a*b - b*b

factoring both sides gives (a+b) * (a-b) = b * (a-b)

removing the common factor gives a+b = b

substituting b for a (because there were initially set to be equal) gives b+b=b or 2*b=1*b

removing the common factor gives 2=1

basic underlying rules are critical to avoiding ridiculous results.

I should have just said hanging a queen is a legal move

Moving your king into check is not could have made things less complicated

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:

@jetoba

Why the rule.

In Chess, stalemate is a draw.

In Xiangqi stalemate is a win.

In Chess, perpetual check is a draw.

In Xiangqi, perpetual check is not allowed.


Saying "It's the rules" doesn't mean anything.


The initial rules says you can capture a king that moves into check.

Then somebody added another rule. You have to warn the King that he is in check. Then somebody added another rule, the King cannot move into check.


"Saying it's the rules" doesn't mean anything. Why the rules?

The rules could be the other way, as it is in Xiangqi.

Why is rule

chess is game

Game can be created for fun

There doesn't have to be a reason other than it is a part of the game

robo008

The rules could be the other way, BUT IT'S NOT. So yeah, just accept it

robo008
long_quach wrote:
robo008 wrote:

The rules could be the other way, BUT IT'S NOT. So yeah, just accept it

It is other way Xiangqi, Chinese Chess.

Bro we're not playing Xiangqi

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Saying "It's the rules" doesn't mean anything.


The initial rules says you can capture a king that moves into check.

Then somebody added another rule. You have to warn the King that he is in check. Then somebody added another rule, the King cannot move into check.

You don't need an explanation for everything bro no offense but go ask the people who originally created the idea of stalemate if your so caught up on an explanation for everything

Personally it allows for many neat tricks

robo008
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Saying "It's the rules" doesn't mean anything.


The initial rules says you can capture a king that moves into check.

Then somebody added another rule. You have to warn the King that he is in check. Then somebody added another rule, the King cannot move into check.

You don't need an explanation for everything bro no offense but go ask the people who originally created the idea of stalemate if your so caught up on an explanation for everything

Personally it allows for many neat tricks

Fr, like opposition in king+pawn vs king

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

Personally it allows for many neat tricks

Yes absolutely.

You can't win with just Knight or Bishop even though you are 3 points ahead.

Actually you can win .... Just super tricky watch chessbrahs does knight and bishop checkmate all the time

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

In Western Chess,

The Knight can jump over a line of infantry.

That's not logical.

In Xiangqi, a Knight cannot jump over the infantry.

Now if the Knight is a modern Helicopter, then that's something else.

Even if it was an old knight technically the horse can trample or "jump" over unarmed infantry (or unguarded pieces /squares)

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

In Western Chess,

The Knight can jump over a line of infantry.

That's not logical.

In Xiangqi, a Knight cannot jump over the infantry.

Now if the Knight is a modern Helicopter, then that's something else.

Even if it was an old knight technically the horse can trample or "jump" over unarmed infantry (or unguarded pieces /squares)

No cavalry has ever trampled its own troops to get in front of the battle line.

Not his own troops the opponents troops

robo008

It can trample the pawns, that's what every gambit is

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

In Western Chess,

The Knight can jump over a line of infantry.

That's not logical.

In Xiangqi, a Knight cannot jump over the infantry.

Now if the Knight is a modern Helicopter, then that's something else.

Even if it was an old knight technically the horse can trample or "jump" over unarmed infantry (or unguarded pieces /squares)

No cavalry has ever trampled its own troops to get in front of the battle line.

Not his own troops the opponents troops

1. Nf3

Horses are faster 🤷 they get to the front lines quicker besides it is just a game...

BigChessplayer665
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
long_quach wrote:
long_quach wrote:

In Western Chess,

The Knight can jump over a line of infantry.

That's not logical.

In Xiangqi, a Knight cannot jump over the infantry.

Now if the Knight is a modern Helicopter, then that's something else.

Even if it was an old knight technically the horse can trample or "jump" over unarmed infantry (or unguarded pieces /squares)

No cavalry has ever trampled its own troops to get in front of the battle line.

Not his own troops the opponents troops

1. Nf3

That's actually not a bad idea.

Half of each.

It cannot jump over its own troops, but can jump over enemy's troops!

I was talking about when the knight captors it can move in front of any troop though like how a car can move faster and go in front of ahuman..

shubham

become a good player, you wont say this again....

BigChessplayer665
shubham wrote:

become a good player, you wont say this again....

Talking about long quash right cause I'm having the same thought ?

Yaoyu-min

Stalemate should be removed. Resignation, too.

haveyouseencyan
Flotteenchante wrote:
Stalemate adds so much to the subtlety of the game . I understand your frustration , but as your understanding of the game grows you will appreciate this . I don’t mean this at all in a condescending way . Once you study many master games and the history of great chess games then you will find examples of incredible escapes through stalemate which can spring from nowhere occasionally . I was held to a draw in the British Rapidplay in Leeds many years ago . Three pawns up and I wondered why my opponent was playing on …. I soon found out … he sacrificed his rook and my full point turned to a dusty half point in an Instant . Stalemate will come to your rescue as much as it frustrates you . So don’t worry and learn to love the complexities of our shared game . All the best , Simon

Personally, I will never appreciate or respect people abusing a stupid rule to get a draw when they were dominated.

Can you name one other sport in the world that makes bizarre rules to benefit people in obvious losing positions?

The only people who like stalemate are seasoned players who abuse it for everything its worth and take advantage of less experienced players who don't abuse it or are manipulated. This is not skill as much as you guys like to believe it i, just rule abuse from people who are losing and should have zero hope..

EndgameEnthusiast2357

If your opponent managed to endlessly check your king while you were "winning", you weren't really winning. In fact if anything, you should lose 2/3 of a point for letting him force a stalemate or perpetual check LOL

haveyouseencyan
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

If your opponent managed to endlessly check your king while you were "winning", you weren't really winning. In fact if anything, you should lose 2/3 of a point for letting him force a stalemate or perpetual check LOL

? I am obviously the person winning in these positions, what are you talking about?

EndgameEnthusiast2357

If your position was vulnerable enough to him being able to force a stalemate, then you weren't really "dominating" at all in the first place. That's like saying being up a queen and rook should forbid your opponent from winning by checkmating with a pawn, because he's "abusing" the use of pawns to cancel out your material advantage. If you were really winning you wouldn't have allowed the stalemate possibility. The other fallacy is assuming one side is winning and the other isn't in a stalemate situation. The side doing the stalemating could be winning:

Losing:
Or neither:
And this is the main problem with any "stalemate shouldn't be a draw" arguments.