Stockfish is blind!

Sort:
Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Ryanmp99 wrote:

This forum has gotten completely out of hand and unrelated to the topic. I will say that I looked through the position and some of the lines described with SF10dev, and it appears the op is telling the truth in that the position is won for white. There are many variations in which the evaluation suddenly flips to put white at a completely winning number. In addition, the position is locked and white’s pieces have access to the king while black’s are cut off. This bears a strong resemblance to AlphaZero’s games, in which Stockfish’s pieces were cut off from the action and he was eventually locked down and crushed. Long story short, I believe him when he says the position is winning, but it seems so utterly complex, with mates in several dozen moves (holy crap!) that I am skeptical he found this in a live game with no engine assistance. 

exactly what I said, except without knowledge about AlphaZero's patterns

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
ScootaChess wrote:

Everyone knows stockfish is blind. It has no eyes

XD that's a nice way to put it

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Ryanmp99 wrote:

This forum has gotten completely out of hand and unrelated to the topic. I will say that I looked through the position and some of the lines described with SF10dev, and it appears the op is telling the truth in that the position is won for white. There are many variations in which the evaluation suddenly flips to put white at a completely winning number. In addition, the position is locked and white’s pieces have access to the king while black’s are cut off. This bears a strong resemblance to AlphaZero’s games, in which Stockfish’s pieces were cut off from the action and he was eventually locked down and crushed. Long story short, I believe him when he says the position is winning, but it seems so utterly complex, with mates in several dozen moves (holy crap!) that I am skeptical he found this in a live game with no engine assistance. 

Now, this is a good post and to-the-point.

Everyone who takes the effort to investigate with SF will see I am telling the truth.

Of course, I found it myself - who else, if top engines STILL don't see it?

Now, this was easy as I have played thousand similar games crushing SF.

My other book, "The Secret of Chess", has specific terms for rook on an edge(h-file) file attacking the enemy king shelter, pointed chain(the d4-e5-f6 pawns later on) as well as twice backward shelter pawn(the f7 black pawn restricted by the white e5 and g5 pawns).

Look carefully at this TOC: https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chess-Lyudmil-Tsvetkov/dp/1522041400#reader_1522041400

Where I have taken these orginal terms from?

From the countless PRACTICAL games I have played against SF, of course!

you really didn't understand what he said did you? He said that he is skeptical since AlphaZero makes more blunders than he could ever possibly make. But no, of course you avoided that part

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Now, concerning the actual game: I did post links from the encounter LIVE on a forum, either here or on the Secret of Chess forum; they should be still there, just too busy now to repost.

Please, take a look.

First of all, you have proven that you have plenty of time to spare, such as the "hours of time spent Googling yourself" remark you made. Secondly, it takes less than 5 minutes for you to post a measly link, but hours for me to look through the THOUSANDS of posts to find one link you posted. And what if I accidentily glance over that post?

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
josiahpower wrote:

Following your logic, 90% of threads on Chess.com should be deleted.

At least, this thread HAS some USEFUL stuff other threads are lacking.

Do you really hate so much original content?

Btw., if you are in the dark and what to know more what high level chess with engines is all about, currently you can read 'Human versus Machine' for free on the Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/Human-Versus-Machine-Stockfish-Komodo-ebook/dp/B0768G8R2C/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Don't miss that occasion.

In the future, top engine chess will be more and more a reference as to the objectivity of the game.

Number 1 reason why am on this forum: To make sure people don't think there is tons of useful stuff on this forum. If there's one thing I hate, it's when people are fooled by people like you, claiming things with no proof, claiming that there is proof. Basically, a really stubborn person that will do anything to be right. No one should do such a thing except a child (and Trump, he does that half the time he talks lol) Yet you continue to do it. Why? Are you so desparate for attention as to claim what you are claiming? Well, you've got the attention. I doubt there is any other thread as active for such a long time as your thread.

I am even not reading what you are writing anymore.

Too busy, but one way or another, you write complete nonsense.

As if you have not read(read, not clicked) a single post here and not replayed a single game...

Which might actually be the pure truth...

Thank you for completely ignoring what I said for no reason other than the fact that it is against you, and calling my post nonsense so that way you won't have to attack such a good argument. So logical....

Avatar of GM_chess_player
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
1400136896 wrote:

Could you at least play ONE game to show us how Strong you are.

Otherwise I don't see any mate with this move after Qf6+

So could Qf6+ be wrong?

P.S. @Lyudmil_Tsvetkov I am not Japanese. I just like (not addicted) to pokemon which it originated from

You must understand that Lyudmil is not as good as it sounds. He refuses to play any games with anyone to avoid looking bad. Just to make an excuse for waiting, he said he was very busy and couldn't play any games. In reality, he is not nearly as "busy" as he makes it seem. He studies chess for hours, and he could easily give up some of this time to play on chess.com or a tournament, but he refuses to. He also has said that he sometimes GOOGLES HIS NAME FOR HOURS! He surely could give up enough time to at least play a tournament every once in a while, and play some Chess.com games! But no, he doesn't want to show the world how he is a liar. He tells us he is the best player in the world, gives no evidence, plays no games to prove it, and yet he somehow expects us to believe him. Don't get fooled by him. He never beat StockFish, he just made up some games to post and call it a win against StockFish. But these certainly aren't clever games. StockFish, according to Lyudmil, couldn't see an easy prevention of a mate. As if that's even possible when computers see dozens of moves ahead! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GAME LYUDMIL SHOWED US TO EVEN EXIST AS A GAME AGAINST STOCKFISH! StockFish can see dozens of moves ahead, and there is no possible way Lyudmil ALSO planned a mate dozens of moves ahead, and so it is impossible. Timed or not timed, there is no way Lyudmil could have seen a mate ahead of Stockfish. Impossible.

Agreed and well said thumbup.png Of course he could be playing a chess game in the time of writing a comment. If he is busy, he would have not that mu ch time to respond to comments. Therefore, Lyudmil is a bastard and a liar since he can't even play 1 itty bitty chess game and that means he is a fool. At least show us you FIDE or USCF rating. You probably don't even have one. So why have you even wrote this if you can't play 1 chess game?Just 1 chess game will fix this all, then we will be able to know who you are. Reveal  yourself. I don't see Lyudmil tsetkov in the fide or uscf. So he also says he is better than Magnus. Prove it. At least play against me or someone 1800>.  If you  google your name for hours, you can play maybe 90 bullet games in an hour 60 3 min games and maybe 10 15|10 games. At least play!

Avatar of Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Ryanmp99 wrote:

This forum has gotten completely out of hand and unrelated to the topic. I will say that I looked through the position and some of the lines described with SF10dev, and it appears the op is telling the truth in that the position is won for white. There are many variations in which the evaluation suddenly flips to put white at a completely winning number. In addition, the position is locked and white’s pieces have access to the king while black’s are cut off. This bears a strong resemblance to AlphaZero’s games, in which Stockfish’s pieces were cut off from the action and he was eventually locked down and crushed. Long story short, I believe him when he says the position is winning, but it seems so utterly complex, with mates in several dozen moves (holy crap!) that I am skeptical he found this in a live game with no engine assistance. 

Now, this is a good post and to-the-point.

Everyone who takes the effort to investigate with SF will see I am telling the truth.

Of course, I found it myself - who else, if top engines STILL don't see it?

Now, this was easy as I have played thousand similar games crushing SF.

My other book, "The Secret of Chess", has specific terms for rook on an edge(h-file) file attacking the enemy king shelter, pointed chain(the d4-e5-f6 pawns later on) as well as twice backward shelter pawn(the f7 black pawn restricted by the white e5 and g5 pawns).

Look carefully at this TOC: https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chess-Lyudmil-Tsvetkov/dp/1522041400#reader_1522041400

Where I have taken these orginal terms from?

From the countless PRACTICAL games I have played against SF, of course!

you really didn't understand what he said did you? He said that he is skeptical since AlphaZero makes more blunders than he could ever possibly make. But no, of course you avoided that part

Concerning that AlphaZero, it's almost a year now, and they have made 0 progress.

One more item where I proved correct.

Listen to wise and knowledgeable men, man, don't be so disrespectful.

Avatar of Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Now, concerning the actual game: I did post links from the encounter LIVE on a forum, either here or on the Secret of Chess forum; they should be still there, just too busy now to repost.

Please, take a look.

First of all, you have proven that you have plenty of time to spare, such as the "hours of time spent Googling yourself" remark you made. Secondly, it takes less than 5 minutes for you to post a measly link, but hours for me to look through the THOUSANDS of posts to find one link you posted. And what if I accidentily glance over that post?

You are not working 7-8 daily hours on a hard hard book, right?

Avatar of Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
1400136896 wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
1400136896 wrote:

Could you at least play ONE game to show us how Strong you are.

Otherwise I don't see any mate with this move after Qf6+

So could Qf6+ be wrong?

P.S. @Lyudmil_Tsvetkov I am not Japanese. I just like (not addicted) to pokemon which it originated from

You must understand that Lyudmil is not as good as it sounds. He refuses to play any games with anyone to avoid looking bad. Just to make an excuse for waiting, he said he was very busy and couldn't play any games. In reality, he is not nearly as "busy" as he makes it seem. He studies chess for hours, and he could easily give up some of this time to play on chess.com or a tournament, but he refuses to. He also has said that he sometimes GOOGLES HIS NAME FOR HOURS! He surely could give up enough time to at least play a tournament every once in a while, and play some Chess.com games! But no, he doesn't want to show the world how he is a liar. He tells us he is the best player in the world, gives no evidence, plays no games to prove it, and yet he somehow expects us to believe him. Don't get fooled by him. He never beat StockFish, he just made up some games to post and call it a win against StockFish. But these certainly aren't clever games. StockFish, according to Lyudmil, couldn't see an easy prevention of a mate. As if that's even possible when computers see dozens of moves ahead! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GAME LYUDMIL SHOWED US TO EVEN EXIST AS A GAME AGAINST STOCKFISH! StockFish can see dozens of moves ahead, and there is no possible way Lyudmil ALSO planned a mate dozens of moves ahead, and so it is impossible. Timed or not timed, there is no way Lyudmil could have seen a mate ahead of Stockfish. Impossible.

Agreed and well said Of course he could be playing a chess game in the time of writing a comment. If he is busy, he would have not that mu ch time to respond to comments. Therefore, Lyudmil is a bastard and a liar since he can't even play 1 itty bitty chess game and that means he is a fool. At least show us you FIDE or USCF rating. You probably don't even have one. So why have you even wrote this if you can't play 1 chess game?Just 1 chess game will fix this all, then we will be able to know who you are. Reveal  yourself. I don't see Lyudmil tsetkov in the fide or uscf. So he also says he is better than Magnus. Prove it. At least play against me or someone 1800>.  If you  google your name for hours, you can play maybe 90 bullet games in an hour 60 3 min games and maybe 10 15|10 games. At least play!

A liar is ONLY Mr. Putin and "Dimon".

He claims to work for the good of Russia, but he has 200 billion dollars on his account!

If you can not find my name on FIDE and other sites, then you simply CAN NOT READ.

Avatar of ponz111

A human can sometimes see the best/correct move that SF cannot find even when SF is given much more time than the human. [I have done this more than once]

Avatar of lfPatriotGames
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
1400136896 wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
1400136896 wrote:

Could you at least play ONE game to show us how Strong you are.

Otherwise I don't see any mate with this move after Qf6+

So could Qf6+ be wrong?

P.S. @Lyudmil_Tsvetkov I am not Japanese. I just like (not addicted) to pokemon which it originated from

You must understand that Lyudmil is not as good as it sounds. He refuses to play any games with anyone to avoid looking bad. Just to make an excuse for waiting, he said he was very busy and couldn't play any games. In reality, he is not nearly as "busy" as he makes it seem. He studies chess for hours, and he could easily give up some of this time to play on chess.com or a tournament, but he refuses to. He also has said that he sometimes GOOGLES HIS NAME FOR HOURS! He surely could give up enough time to at least play a tournament every once in a while, and play some Chess.com games! But no, he doesn't want to show the world how he is a liar. He tells us he is the best player in the world, gives no evidence, plays no games to prove it, and yet he somehow expects us to believe him. Don't get fooled by him. He never beat StockFish, he just made up some games to post and call it a win against StockFish. But these certainly aren't clever games. StockFish, according to Lyudmil, couldn't see an easy prevention of a mate. As if that's even possible when computers see dozens of moves ahead! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GAME LYUDMIL SHOWED US TO EVEN EXIST AS A GAME AGAINST STOCKFISH! StockFish can see dozens of moves ahead, and there is no possible way Lyudmil ALSO planned a mate dozens of moves ahead, and so it is impossible. Timed or not timed, there is no way Lyudmil could have seen a mate ahead of Stockfish. Impossible.

Agreed and well said Of course he could be playing a chess game in the time of writing a comment. If he is busy, he would have not that mu ch time to respond to comments. Therefore, Lyudmil is a bastard and a liar since he can't even play 1 itty bitty chess game and that means he is a fool. At least show us you FIDE or USCF rating. You probably don't even have one. So why have you even wrote this if you can't play 1 chess game?Just 1 chess game will fix this all, then we will be able to know who you are. Reveal  yourself. I don't see Lyudmil tsetkov in the fide or uscf. So he also says he is better than Magnus. Prove it. At least play against me or someone 1800>.  If you  google your name for hours, you can play maybe 90 bullet games in an hour 60 3 min games and maybe 10 15|10 games. At least play!

A liar is ONLY Mr. Putin and "Dimon".

He claims to work for the good of Russia, but he has 200 billion dollars on his account!

If you can not find my name on FIDE and other sites, then you simply CAN NOT READ.

Your rating is about 2100 to 2200. I cant remember the exact number but I think it's 21something. Your ability might be less because you haven't played in tournaments in a long time. When you were playing you had some good wins, but also some losses against 1900 rated players. 

The reason people accurately label you as a liar is because you claim things like a rating/ability of 3500 (although you did recently modify that to 3490). So I guess that lie is slightly less obnoxious. 

You seem to be intentionally ignoring his point about your other lie, that you dont have enough time to play a game of chess. You have time to make pointless comments, and additional lies. You have time for that. Add up all the time it took to post all those lies and you EASILY could have played several dozen games. 

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Ryanmp99 wrote:

This forum has gotten completely out of hand and unrelated to the topic. I will say that I looked through the position and some of the lines described with SF10dev, and it appears the op is telling the truth in that the position is won for white. There are many variations in which the evaluation suddenly flips to put white at a completely winning number. In addition, the position is locked and white’s pieces have access to the king while black’s are cut off. This bears a strong resemblance to AlphaZero’s games, in which Stockfish’s pieces were cut off from the action and he was eventually locked down and crushed. Long story short, I believe him when he says the position is winning, but it seems so utterly complex, with mates in several dozen moves (holy crap!) that I am skeptical he found this in a live game with no engine assistance. 

Now, this is a good post and to-the-point.

Everyone who takes the effort to investigate with SF will see I am telling the truth.

Of course, I found it myself - who else, if top engines STILL don't see it?

Now, this was easy as I have played thousand similar games crushing SF.

My other book, "The Secret of Chess", has specific terms for rook on an edge(h-file) file attacking the enemy king shelter, pointed chain(the d4-e5-f6 pawns later on) as well as twice backward shelter pawn(the f7 black pawn restricted by the white e5 and g5 pawns).

Look carefully at this TOC: https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chess-Lyudmil-Tsvetkov/dp/1522041400#reader_1522041400

Where I have taken these orginal terms from?

From the countless PRACTICAL games I have played against SF, of course!

you really didn't understand what he said did you? He said that he is skeptical since AlphaZero makes more blunders than he could ever possibly make. But no, of course you avoided that part

Concerning that AlphaZero, it's almost a year now, and they have made 0 progress.

One more item where I proved correct.

Listen to wise and knowledgeable men, man, don't be so disrespectful.

Question, do you just have a difficulty to comprehend English, or are you just being stubborn again?

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Now, concerning the actual game: I did post links from the encounter LIVE on a forum, either here or on the Secret of Chess forum; they should be still there, just too busy now to repost.

Please, take a look.

First of all, you have proven that you have plenty of time to spare, such as the "hours of time spent Googling yourself" remark you made. Secondly, it takes less than 5 minutes for you to post a measly link, but hours for me to look through the THOUSANDS of posts to find one link you posted. And what if I accidentily glance over that post?

You are not working 7-8 daily hours on a hard hard book, right?

1. You can spare some of those 7-8 hours every once in a while, I know you can.

2. You are the one that spares time to look up yourself for hours in one day, right?

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
1400136896 wrote:
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
1400136896 wrote:

Could you at least play ONE game to show us how Strong you are.

Otherwise I don't see any mate with this move after Qf6+

So could Qf6+ be wrong?

P.S. @Lyudmil_Tsvetkov I am not Japanese. I just like (not addicted) to pokemon which it originated from

You must understand that Lyudmil is not as good as it sounds. He refuses to play any games with anyone to avoid looking bad. Just to make an excuse for waiting, he said he was very busy and couldn't play any games. In reality, he is not nearly as "busy" as he makes it seem. He studies chess for hours, and he could easily give up some of this time to play on chess.com or a tournament, but he refuses to. He also has said that he sometimes GOOGLES HIS NAME FOR HOURS! He surely could give up enough time to at least play a tournament every once in a while, and play some Chess.com games! But no, he doesn't want to show the world how he is a liar. He tells us he is the best player in the world, gives no evidence, plays no games to prove it, and yet he somehow expects us to believe him. Don't get fooled by him. He never beat StockFish, he just made up some games to post and call it a win against StockFish. But these certainly aren't clever games. StockFish, according to Lyudmil, couldn't see an easy prevention of a mate. As if that's even possible when computers see dozens of moves ahead! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GAME LYUDMIL SHOWED US TO EVEN EXIST AS A GAME AGAINST STOCKFISH! StockFish can see dozens of moves ahead, and there is no possible way Lyudmil ALSO planned a mate dozens of moves ahead, and so it is impossible. Timed or not timed, there is no way Lyudmil could have seen a mate ahead of Stockfish. Impossible.

Agreed and well said Of course he could be playing a chess game in the time of writing a comment. If he is busy, he would have not that mu ch time to respond to comments. Therefore, Lyudmil is a bastard and a liar since he can't even play 1 itty bitty chess game and that means he is a fool. At least show us you FIDE or USCF rating. You probably don't even have one. So why have you even wrote this if you can't play 1 chess game?Just 1 chess game will fix this all, then we will be able to know who you are. Reveal  yourself. I don't see Lyudmil tsetkov in the fide or uscf. So he also says he is better than Magnus. Prove it. At least play against me or someone 1800>.  If you  google your name for hours, you can play maybe 90 bullet games in an hour 60 3 min games and maybe 10 15|10 games. At least play!

A liar is ONLY Mr. Putin and "Dimon".

He claims to work for the good of Russia, but he has 200 billion dollars on his account!

If you can not find my name on FIDE and other sites, then you simply CAN NOT READ.

We have found your FIDE, which only strengthens our argument against you since it's only like 2300.

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
ponz111 wrote:

A human can sometimes see the best/correct move that SF cannot find even when SF is given much more time than the human. [I have done this more than once]

this may be true sometimes, but will StockFish miss easily avoidable mates? Will Lyudmil manage to see a mate 18 moves ahead, yet not StockFish? And yet, Lyudmil has claimed both of these. I agree, StockFish might not see every move a human could, but it's just impossible for it to make as many blunders as it does against Lyudmil.

Avatar of veyronguy

Hey if you so strong then challenge stockfish on chess.com full level

Avatar of Carbon6
veyronguy wrote:

Hey if you so strong then challenge stockfish on chess.com full level

First of all, his excuses would be "no I'm playing the FULL level of SF on my PC", or "I'm too busy analyzing chess positions" and similar. Also, hem could say "I did" and then post a position which he cooked up and says, well, how come I can see [INSERT MOVE HERE] and SF cant?" and followed by a bunch of people instantly finding the correct move, some even showing screenshots of SF finding the move in UNDER 3 SECONDS. His "games" are also alleged (and based on his current lack of proof, logical) to be played with MASSIVE time handicaps and and very old/weak version of SF.

Avatar of TheGElCOgecko
ChessSD67 wrote:
veyronguy wrote:

Hey if you so strong then challenge stockfish on chess.com full level

First of all, his excuses would be "no I'm playing the FULL level of SF on my PC", or "I'm too busy analyzing chess positions" and similar. Also, hem could say "I did" and then post a position which he cooked up and says, well, how come I can see [INSERT MOVE HERE] and SF cant?" and followed by a bunch of people instantly finding the correct move, some even showing screenshots of SF finding the move in UNDER 3 SECONDS. His "games" are also alleged (and based on his current lack of proof, logical) to be played with MASSIVE time handicaps and and very old/weak version of SF.

nah, all of what you say is false, cause I say it is. StockFish obviously is weaker than Lyudmil, even though he has like no proof whatsoever. You're making conspiracies I tell you! You are all liers, just cause I say so, and I am right, cause I said I was right, and I am right unless I say otherwise. I'm so smart....

Avatar of Carbon6
stewardjandstewardj wrote:
ChessSD67 wrote:
veyronguy wrote:

Hey if you so strong then challenge stockfish on chess.com full level

First of all, his excuses would be "no I'm playing the FULL level of SF on my PC", or "I'm too busy analyzing chess positions" and similar. Also, hem could say "I did" and then post a position which he cooked up and says, well, how come I can see [INSERT MOVE HERE] and SF cant?" and followed by a bunch of people instantly finding the correct move, some even showing screenshots of SF finding the move in UNDER 3 SECONDS. His "games" are also alleged (and based on his current lack of proof, logical) to be played with MASSIVE time handicaps and and very old/weak version of SF.

nah, all of what you say is false, cause I say it is. StockFish obviously is weaker than Lyudmil, even though he has like no proof whatsoever. You're making conspiracies I tell you! You are all liers, just cause I say so, and I am right, cause I said I was right, and I am right unless I say otherwise. I'm so smart....

If youre not sarcastic i shall torture you....

Avatar of handsoffhans

Yeah!