... snip ... In general, it depends on the time control/who I'm playing: In a game against a master I'll give a takeback, ... snip ...
That I consider a weird idea. I would expect that a master would never ask for a takeback. It would be such an un-professional thing to do, and I believe that for a chess player to become a master (s)he must have to (and would want to and like to) have a professional attitude towards the game.
Noone should be expected to give a takeback due to YOUR carelessness . Takebacks are NOT a part of serious chess. I lose many games on time because I move a little slower than my speedy opponents BUT I almost never have a slip because I take a little more time/care in order to avoid them. This means my more speedy opponents will slip/blunder more often so these help to offset the many games I lose on time, in which I am NOT losing on the board . Why should I give a takeback ? Also, how can you click on your king if you are intending to move a bishop ?!
Since they were one square apart, I accidentally clicked on the king.
I understand mouseslips in which the piece drops one or two squares too early. Had those myself too, however could be avoided by clicking the piece and then pressing at the squares.
However clicking the wrong piece and moving it I can not understand. Thats really carelessness.
Also one time I tried playing on another site, just to look how I would do it there. In that game I found a nice fork which which would cost my opponents his rook. At that same moment my opponent asked for a takeback of his queen... and said to me sorry mouseslip, I dropped my queen on the wrong place. And I was like ok I don't playing like this, because with almost all one move mistakes the opponent will request a take back. Yeah I forgot that my horsie was under attack but it was a mouseslip I had no intention of moving the piece at the opposite side of the bord. Anyway I refused that takeback, my opponent angry because of my "badsportmanship" and a few moves later he ask for another takeback...
Then I decided to resign and leave that site. Believe me, opponents asking for takebacks while playing chess is REALLY annoying.
Wouldn't that just increase the likeliness of a mouse slip? You would accidentally click on the square before the one you were trying to go to.
I understand mouseslips in which the piece drops one or two squares too early. Had those myself too, however could be avoided by clicking the piece and then pressing at the squares.
However clicking the wrong piece and moving it I can not understand. Thats really carelessness.
Also one time I tried playing on another site, just to look how I would do it there. In that game I found a nice fork which which would cost my opponents his rook. At that same moment my opponent asked for a takeback of his queen... and said to me sorry mouseslip, I dropped my queen on the wrong place. And I was like ok I don't playing like this, because with almost all one move mistakes the opponent will request a take back. Yeah I forgot that my horsie was under attack but it was a mouseslip I had no intention of moving the piece at the opposite side of the bord. Anyway I refused that takeback, my opponent angry because of my "badsportmanship" and a few moves later he ask for another takeback...
Then I decided to resign and leave that site. Believe me, opponents asking for takebacks while playing chess is REALLY annoying.
You don't have time for care in a game that quick. Every second counts in a one or two minute game.
I understand mouseslips in which the piece drops one or two squares too early. Had those myself too, however could be avoided by clicking the piece and then pressing at the squares.
However clicking the wrong piece and moving it I can not understand. Thats really carelessness.
Also one time I tried playing on another site, just to look how I would do it there. In that game I found a nice fork which which would cost my opponents his rook. At that same moment my opponent asked for a takeback of his queen... and said to me sorry mouseslip, I dropped my queen on the wrong place. And I was like ok I don't playing like this, because with almost all one move mistakes the opponent will request a take back. Yeah I forgot that my horsie was under attack but it was a mouseslip I had no intention of moving the piece at the opposite side of the bord. Anyway I refused that takeback, my opponent angry because of my "badsportmanship" and a few moves later he ask for another takeback...
Then I decided to resign and leave that site. Believe me, opponents asking for takebacks while playing chess is REALLY annoying.
It may be annoying, but they deserve a takeback if they INTENDED to make another move.
... snip ... In general, it depends on the time control/who I'm playing: In a game against a master I'll give a takeback, ... snip ...
That I consider a weird idea. I would expect that a master would never ask for a takeback. It would be such an un-professional thing to do, and I believe that for a chess player to become a master (s)he must have to (and would want to and like to) have a professional attitude towards the game.
It doesn't matter what level you are- if you intended to make a move, you deserve to be able to make that move! This thread isn't about being "proffessional", it is about fairness.
Bad idea.
I would never ask, I would never grant it, and if my opponent offered I would refuse.
Bad idea.
I would never ask, I would never grant it, and if my opponent offered I would refuse.
It's not a bad idea. If you want to deprive yourself at a fair game (where both sides make the moves that they want to make) that is fine, but I don't agree with it.
Personally, if I make a mouse error that I think will totally ruin the game, I just say so. If it is important to me, I will ask for a draw rather than let the error falsify the quality of play from each of us. If they don't want the draw, I sometimes resign. Either way, I try not to care too much because I think online games are just practice for the real deal.
Personally, if I make a mouse error that I think will totally ruin the game, I just say so. If it is important to me, I will ask for a draw rather than let the error falsify the quality of play from each of us. If they don't want the draw, I sometimes resign. Either way, I try not to care too much because I think online games are just practice for the real deal.
Online games were (presumably) made to play blitz and bullet games which you can play many consecutively in less time than one OTB game. And like I have said before, this is not about being proffessional, it is about being fair.
I think that part of getting so many disagreers here was because of bias. Most of these people play over-the-board (which is not at all bad) and just automatically disagree with any take back proposals because they play touch-move otb, but online chess is different from otb. In otb you have all the time to think in the world, meaning that you CAN afford the time to be careful, which is what these people are saying. In online, however, there are more opportunities for accidentally making a move (mouse slips), and there is minimal time to be careful with your mouse (particularly in bullet, where it is more of a time scramble then anything, and every second wasted on the clock counts). And the clocks would come back to their previous state (before the mouse slip move), and basically, the game would go on as if nothing happened.
Speaking of OTB tournament scenarios: In your fourth game you notice a nice opening in your opponents defence that you could exploit. Hastily you strike the weak pawn on e5 with your knight, thinking of the subsequent moves and the oncoming onslaught but alas; you accidentally knock over your king on g1 while retracting your hand. You look up with that begging look in your eyes; "did he see it?" Your opponent on the other hand simply smiles and reaches over to stop the clock.
He's got his eye on the trophy and yes; he's got you beat whether your clumsy fingers like it or not.
Speaking of OTB tournament scenarios: In your fourth game you notice a nice opening in your opponents defence that you could exploit. Hastily you strike the weak pawn on e5 with your knight, thinking of the subsequent moves and the oncoming onslaught but alas; you accidentally knock over your king on g1 while retracting your hand. You look up with that begging look in your eyes; "did he see it?" Your opponent on the other hand simply smiles and reaches over to stop the clock.
He's got his eye on the trophy and yes; he's got you beat whether your clumsy fingers like it or not.
Now THAT might be even more unfair then mouseslips being denied a takeback.
I understand mouseslips in which the piece drops one or two squares too early. Had those myself too, however could be avoided by clicking the piece and then pressing at the squares.
Wouldn't that just increase the likeliness of a mouse slip? You would accidentally click on the square before the one you were trying to go to.
For me the problem is that the pieces sometimes drop randomly when I'm dragging them, most likely because of connectivity issues or something like that. I can't imagine someone actually clicking on the wrong square by accident.
Also one time I tried playing on another site, just to look how I would do it there. In that game I found a nice fork which which would cost my opponents his rook. At that same moment my opponent asked for a takeback of his queen... and said to me sorry mouseslip, I dropped my queen on the wrong place. And I was like ok I don't playing like this, because with almost all one move mistakes the opponent will request a take back. Yeah I forgot that my horsie was under attack but it was a mouseslip I had no intention of moving the piece at the opposite side of the bord. Anyway I refused that takeback, my opponent angry because of my "badsportmanship" and a few moves later he ask for another takeback...
Then I decided to resign and leave that site. Believe me, opponents asking for takebacks while playing chess is REALLY annoying.
It may be annoying, but they deserve a takeback if they INTENDED to make another move.
The problem is how do you know if they intend to make another move. I think it's going to be used more to annoy your opponent then it's going to be used in valid cases of mouse slips.
Now THAT might be even more unfair then mouseslips being denied a takeback.
otb: no takeback - think longer time about your move is the lesson.
in here I only play 3 days chess and there is a submit move button so no excuse there.
pay attention to what happens on the board.
Oh oh oh, I forgot to mention: There's a pot. Each player has chipped in 5 $.
In a bullet game (where it is most likely for a mouse slip to occur), the click-click itself would cost you precious time, and it would make it even more likely for a mouse slip to occur (The same scenario in the OP where he was gonna trade queens but the queen landed on d7)
Now THAT might be even more unfair then mouseslips being denied a takeback.
otb: no takeback - think longer time about your move is the lesson.
in here I only play 3 days chess and there is a submit move button so no excuse there.
pay attention to what happens on the board.
What do you mean? Thinking longer about your move (especially in a bullet game) won't do ya any good if you accidentally make another move. This is the otb bias I was talking about.
I offer takebacks all the time, especially after my opponent has taken one of my pieces