vulpesVelox wrote:
Oh oh oh, I forgot to mention: There's a pot. Each player has chipped in 5 $.
And that is the unfairness.
Takeback denials after mouse slips (not just here)
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Why do you people think that otb and bullet are the same thing? If I'm not mistaken, you people are thinking "touch-move all the way" and "otb has no takeback, so why would bullet have it".
Sep 3, 2011
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checkmateibeatu wrote:
vulpesVelox wrote:
Oh oh oh, I forgot to mention: There's a pot. Each player has chipped in 5 $.
And that is the unfairness.
Is it now? I'm not so sure what I'd do, had I been the other guy. Oh wait, I know. I'd be all lenient-like and nice. I'd also let him take back moves if they were horrible blunders. Then we'd go to the deli and I'd buy everyone ice cream. And maybe show 'em my unicorns. Who knows?
I would grant him a takeback when he ACCIDENTALLY makes a move. Not when he makes a big blunder on purpose.
When he intends to make another move, is what I'm saying.
No,
If you make a move it should stand take back due to a mouse slip is the oldest excuse in the book when a player walks in front of a bus and loses his Queen or makes a major blunder some other way and tries to weasle his way out of it.
alec39 wrote:
No,
If you make a move it should stand take back due to a mouse slip is the oldest excuse in the book when a player walks in front of a bus and loses his Queen or makes a major blunder some other way and tries to weasle his way out of it.
But what if it's legit?
nate23 wrote:
this one happened to me on live chess-
You see, you should have been able to takeback that move.
echecs06 wrote:
That's life! It happened to me twice. Once the dude took my rook and went on his merry way. Another time, an American player ignored my blunder and made another move and didn't take my Queen. I thanked him for it and eventually offered him a draw.
That's what a fair person would do.
Sep 3, 2011
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#72
checkmateibeatu wrote:
alec39 wrote:
No,
If you make a move it should stand take back due to a mouse slip is the oldest excuse in the book when a player walks in front of a bus and loses his Queen or makes a major blunder some other way and tries to weasle his way out of it.
But what if it's legit?
But what if it isn't?
Seriously: Chess is the worst. Around any streetcorner, you'll find a person who in some way or another dislikes specific rules/dynamics of the game.
This could ever so often be interpreted as that person hanging on a little too tight.
I've slipped... hmm... about five times within 4-500 games. In translation that's roughly 50 points gone bye-bye. 50 points and half an hour. Essentially stolen from me.
Every single time I've done this, it has been with the intent to shave 2-3 seconds off my time.
I'm under the naive impression that everyone is liable to do this thus everyone is liable to make the very same mistake.
you make mistakes, you are punished. Such a game is chess.
If you don't like the dynamics of bullets, maybe you ought to find more suitable time controls for your needs and preferences to be met. Demanding takebacks and other assorted favors is for royalty, not the common man. The world simply doesn't stop when a member of the public exhales for the last time.
vulpesVelox wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:
alec39 wrote:
No,
If you make a move it should stand take back due to a mouse slip is the oldest excuse in the book when a player walks in front of a bus and loses his Queen or makes a major blunder some other way and tries to weasle his way out of it.
But what if it's legit?
But what if it isn't?
Seriously: Chess is the worst. Around any streetcorner, you'll find a person who in some way or another dislikes specific rules/dynamics of the game.
This could ever so often be interpreted as that person hanging on a little too tight.
I've slipped... hmm... about five times within 4-500 games. In translation that's roughly 50 points gone bye-bye. 50 points and half an hour. Essentially stolen from me.
Every single time I've done this, it has been with the intent to shave 2-3 seconds off my time.
I'm under the naive impression that everyone is liable to do this thus everyone is liable to make the very same mistake.
you make mistakes, you are punished. Such a game is chess.
If you don't like the dynamics of bullets, maybe you ought to find more suitable time controls for your needs and preferences to be met. Demanding takebacks and other assorted favors is for royalty, not the common man. The world simply doesn't stop when a member of the public exhales for the last time.
A mouse slip isn't your mistake, it's the computer's mistake.
I had a similar problem a few months ago in this thread:
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/livechess/abortstakeback-requests
Once i offered a draw after someone only pushed a pawn instead of retaking a piece, but he refused and resigned. The result went the other way once when I had relied on Nxf3(+) to save material and retake my queen on the next move, but he had played Kf1? and the king wasn't where it was supposed to be. "What goes around comes around."
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^and who controls the computer? you. It is your mistake.
You don't have time in a one-minute bullet game to concentrate on your mouse.
checkmateibeatu wrote:
echecs06 wrote:
That's life! It happened to me twice. Once the dude took my rook and went on his merry way. Another time, an American player ignored my blunder and made another move and didn't take my Queen. I thanked him for it and eventually offered him a draw.
That's what a fair person would do.
There's nothing unfair about wanting to play by the rules of the game, which do NOT include takebacks. Also, FYI both bullet AND blitz can be, and are, played OTB . If you make too many mouseslips and don't like it that people won't give you takebacks then I suggest you stop playing time controls in which you have so many mouseslips. 1 0 chess is just stupid anyway and a complete waste as far as improving one's game goes.....
checkmateibeatu wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^and who controls the computer? you. It is your mistake.
You don't have time in a one-minute bullet game to concentrate on your mouse.
QUIT PLAYING 1 0 THEN , PROBLEM SOLVED .
Just accept that you slipped up and move on. It won't make a difference to your rating in the long term.
I've trapped a guy's queen before, only for him to say his last move was a slip. I replied "bad luck" at which point he started swearing at me. And it obviously wasn't a slip like he said.
You can't assess every situation individually in this case - you either make all moves take-backable or none. Its obvious what the best option is.
Take-backs aren't a part of chess.
Reb wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^and who controls the computer? you. It is your mistake.
You don't have time in a one-minute bullet game to concentrate on your mouse.
QUIT PLAYING 1 0 THEN , PROBLEM SOLVED .
If ya can't handle the heat, get out of the frying pan.
Sep 3, 2011
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#80
checkmateibeatu wrote:
vulpesVelox wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:
alec39 wrote:
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A mouse slip isn't your mistake, it's the computer's mistake.
Blaming the computer for a mouse-slip? Hilarious! 
A mouse-slip is clearly a human error. Assigning the blame to an inanimate object is absurd, no? 
Now THAT might be even more unfair then mouseslips being denied a takeback.
otb: no takeback - think longer time about your move is the lesson.
in here I only play 3 days chess and there is a submit move button so no excuse there.
pay attention to what happens on the board.
Why don't you read this thread!? We are talking about bullet and blitz games, not 3 days per move or otb games!