The bottom line is there are existential problems everywhere. Both rich and poor countries have citizens who are suffering in some way. Trying to measure who's suffering is worse than another person's is pointless and impossible. If I want to formulate and express my opinion on this Magnus vs. Hans ridiculousness, it has nothing to do with my socioeconomic background, political beliefs, internet trends, etc. I'm 42 years old. At this point in my life, my opinions are generated by my own brain (for better or worse 
). I'm not influenced by what the trendy posts in the chess.com forums are saying. I only want to talk about chess related matters in here but sometimes I just can't help chiming in on other "stuff".
Team Carlsen or Team Niemann
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Sep 29, 2022
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Sep 29, 2022
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#63
EBowie wrote:
The bottom line is there are existential problems everywhere. Both rich and poor countries have citizens who are suffering in some way. Trying to measure who's suffering is worse than another person's is pointless and impossible. If I want to formulate and express my opinion on this Magnus vs. Hans ridiculousness, it has nothing to do with my socioeconomic background, political beliefs, internet trends, etc. I'm 42 years old. At this point in my life, my opinions are generated by my own brain (for better or worse ). I'm not influenced by what the trendy posts in the chess.com forums are saying. I only want to talk about chess related matters in here but sometimes I just can't help chiming in on other "stuff".
No argument here and I will accept blame for taking things off track. I just cannot help psychoanalysing people's obsession with public figures. It's interesting to me that in increasingly secular societies people are simply finding secular gods (sportspeople, actors, etc.).
^^^ Good point. Then they must defend their god against all attacks and accuse others of worshipping a secular god. Just look at all the people calling each other fanboys.
@76 I have a problem with social justice period. When you put a qualifier to the word justice it usually means you aren't actually seeking justice, otherwise what is the difference between social justice and normal justice? Definitely makes it seem like it's intended to favor one party over another which isn't justice at all.
Sep 29, 2022
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#66
This thread seems to have turned into a competition for who can air the most objectionable opinions. Can we get back to the Niemann Carlsen topic and leave politics out of it, please?
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Sep 29, 2022
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#68
CraigIreland wrote:
This thread seems to have turned into a competition for who can air the most objectionable opinions. Can we get back to the Niemann Carlsen topic and leave politics out of it, please?
yes but can we leave the man child discussion in?
Politics is the brain's left lobe (Republican) vs the right lobe (Democrat). People uses both lobes of course but the more someone predominately relies on a lobe the more lopsided their political views are. It's why neither political side can convince the other side, it's each 'realities'. Funny that Democrats are called the left and Republicans the right, it should be the other way around.
Sep 29, 2022
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#70
You mean hemispheres. The brain has two hemispheres, each containing 6 lobes.
Sep 29, 2022
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brink2017 wrote:
. Funny that Democrats are called the left and Republicans the right, it should be the other way around.
Lol. The reason it's called the left and the right is that during the national assembly during the French Revolution, liberals sat on the left side of the king while conservatives sat on the right side of the king. The left side wanted to overthrow the king while the right side wanted to keep the king. Even though the French Revolution was years ago, we still keep the same convention.
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OP, I dislike Team Carlsen vs. Team Niemann, because Team Carlsen actually like Carlsen, while Team Niemann just want to see actual proof, and doesn't care much about Niemann. They probably even like Carlsen more.
Oct 1, 2022
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#72
Some of us aren't blinded by any pre-existing bias or misplaced loyalty associated with being happy with a "Team" label but are very concerned about truth and fair play.
There are fundamentally no sides, there is merely what is true and what is not. (More fool anyone who wants to ignore that).
Well said
The labels are not that important to me, as I mentioned earlier. The teams are obviously a joke. The straw poll has value, and having knowledge of the ratings and bodies of posts of many of the voters also has value. If the topic were "Which way are you currently leaning?" that would be better.
What would also be better is if the totals were being kept 
. Still useful, though.
Oct 1, 2022
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#75
I have been keeping score and updating the original post from time to time.
Regarding truth, we already have a lot of facts regarding the extent of Niemann's cheating, but you could certainly debate whether we're ready to deliver a verdict or if we should wait until FIDE has finished its investigation. I expect that no evidence of OTB cheating results from the investigation other than that which is already publicly available. Though I'd also expect that the analysis conducted by FIDE would be more rigorous.
The idea behind the thread was to capture general sentiment. In that respect, it seems conclusive but it's less obvious whether we should expect the outcome of the investigation to match that sentiment.
Oct 1, 2022
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#76
GBTGBA wrote:
unless you really like Hans, how can you withstand the negativeness ?
Some people have nothing useful to say, so they say unpopular things on purpose, mostly to get attention.
Oct 1, 2022
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#77
CraigIreland wrote:
I have been keeping score and updating the original post from time to time. Regarding truth, we already have a lot of facts regarding the extent of Niemann's cheating, but you could certainly debate whether we're ready to deliver a verdict or if we should wait until FIDE has finished its investigation. The idea behind the thread was to capture general sentiment. In that respect, it seems conclusive but it's far less obvious whether we should expect the outcome of the investigation to match that sentiment.
I probably agree with the popular opinion... or maybe it's not popular and I'm just projecting...
I think it's unlikely he cheated in St Louis (at least after they increased security) but I think it's more likely than not that he's cheated OTB at some point.
As for Carlsen, people have been calling him immature since before he became world champion (there's a guy I used to play chess with that couldn't stand him for a long time). Personally I don't care. I don't know what it is, but his actions don't register on an emotional level for me. I don't love him or hate him. Same for this. He was upset, he quit, I don't care. If he's sanctioned? Sure. If not? Sure. I don't care.
Oct 1, 2022
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#78
For Carlsen to be vindicated, all that is required is a conclusion that Niemann has cheated either online more than he has admitted or ever over the board. It seems that there is evidence of each of these from chess.com and from match analysis respectively.
Oct 1, 2022
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#79
CraigIreland wrote:
For Carlsen to be vindicated, all that is required is a conclusion that Niemann has cheated online or OTB more than he has admitted. It seems that there is evidence of each of these from chess.com and from match analysis respectively
Why would online cheating vindicate Carlsen's leaving an OTB tournament?
Oct 1, 2022
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#80
Carlsen's statement didn't make any accusation of OTB cheating, only that Niemann has cheated "more - and more recently" than he has already admitted.
The reason he gave for withdrawing and refusing to play against Niemann is that given he doesn't want to play against repeat cheaters because he doesn't know what they'll do in the future.
Poverty and hunger are increasingly problematic in the UK. It's a rich country with a lot of poverty.
Again, mostly due to poor lifestyle choices. If you're on minimum wage it's probably not a good idea to keep breeding, for example.
I think this is about as low of a statement as someone can make. Blaming working-class people who are just trying to survive, rather than an infrastructure at the highest levels of government that is purposefully keeping people desperate and poor. Politicians care about filling their own pockets as do CEOs and billionaires, who control everything. Rather than calling these people the enemy, you're calling people in poverty the enemy, and you're blaming them.
Now I know what kind of person you are, MorningGlory84. I'll keep this in mind about you. And in the small amount of posts I've read from you, you've already managed to cram a lot of stupidity in a lot of things you write on here, and I find you extremely dislikable.
I get that in today's world of everything offends someone. If you are poor, if you are on some kind of govt. assistance (aka: Asking the people of the USA to support you) You should not be thinking about having more kids. It is not the countries job to support your desire for a bigger welfare check.
He's offended on behalf of people he's never even met and definitely wouldn't want as neighbours.