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The 10,000 Hour Meme
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Oct 26, 2011
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Further reading for those talking about language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality
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“All this twaddle, the existence of God, atheism, determinism, liberation, societies, death, etc., are pieces of a chess game called language, and they are amusing only if one does not preoccupy oneself with 'winning or losing this game of chess.”
The analogy between learning chess and mastering a language is dubious at best.
In what way, Superbuddha?
Chess positions have semantic content, as is demonstrated in the very way chess masters' talk about a positions' "demands."
In the way that I am a French native living in an English-speaking country for almost 10 years.
And?
Superbuddha wrote:
In the way that I am a French native living in an English-speaking country for almost 10 years.
Point kind of proven.
bomtrown wrote:
Makes you wonder about spending all that time on the toilet.
Oct 26, 2011
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eddiewsox wrote:
I believe that there is research showing that a particular part of the brain learns language as a child, and then atrophies in adolecsence. Adults learn a 2nd language with completely different parts of the brain then do children. There is no evidence that this holds true for mathematics, chess or anything else.
I am danish but I learned German from 2nd grade. I guess adults learn language by translating their native vocabulary into the other language.
there as a kid doesn't translate every word he learns he builds his own vocabulary in that language.
an example if I look at a picture of a broom ...I would instantly think of the danish word of the word for a broom and then translate it to english in my mind.
I guess a kid would look at the broom and think broom because he has two "builtin" dictonaries in his brain. why think danish if you want to speak english. and vice visa. for an adult this is difficult because the native language is closely linked to the way you think.
as a kid if I needed to speak german I wasn't thinking in danish at all.
and if I spoke danish I switched to think danish.
It's worth mentioning again as some people seem to have trouble understanding...
"10,000 hours of work"....NOT 10,000 hours of play or 10,000 hours of skimming through Silman's HTRYC or 10,000 hours of analysing some hyper-dubious line of the King's Gambit or 10,000 hours of watching youtube videos of some patzer playing blitz or 10,000 hours of arguing with strangers on a chess forum
Maybe some people have more of an aptitude for the necessary kind of work than others do, Arctor...
MyCowsCanFly wrote:
It's also interesting to think about the things you've spent 10,000 hours doing without the intention of becoming a master.
Hehe...
Jan 5, 2012
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#36
If I'm not mistaken the quoted 10 000 hrs refer to 'deliberate practice' rather than just 'instruction' : so it's not about playing blitz, reading a book or watching a chess video - it's rather about playing long games and solving challenging puzzles (kind of active learning). Many people make the erroneous assumption that chess is about accumulating technical knowledge.
I like the analogy with learning a language, but I'd rather say it's similar to becoming a skilled rhetorist 
Struggle is essential to chess practice...
"For me, chess is a language, and if it's not my native tongue, it is one I learned via the immersion method at a young age." -- Kasparov
Mycowscanfly's comment may be spot on here, but if you're willing to understand the looseness of the definition (you can't ask for direction in chess language) and perhaps once you've spent enough time with the game, you can realize it's a very sensible comparison.
waffllemaster wrote:
"For me, chess is a language, and if it's not my native tongue, it is one I learned via the immersion method at a young age." -- Kasparov
Mycowscanfly's comment may be spot on here, but if you're willing to understand the looseness of the definition (you can't ask for direction in chess language) and perhaps once you've spent enough time with the game, you can realize it's a very sensible comparison.
What, "makes you wonder about spending all that time on the toilet"?
Yes the key thing here is that it takes 10, 000 hours of proper practice to get better, not just 10, 000 hours of doing whatever so the language analogy doesn't work.
theoreticalboy wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
"For me, chess is a language, and if it's not my native tongue, it is one I learned via the immersion method at a young age." -- Kasparov
Mycowscanfly's comment may be spot on here, but if you're willing to understand the looseness of the definition (you can't ask for direction in chess language) and perhaps once you've spent enough time with the game, you can realize it's a very sensible comparison.
What, "makes you wonder about spending all that time on the toilet"?
I see the Kramnik - Topolov match in a whole new light now...
(But seriously I was talking about the Duchamp quote).
"Mathematics is a completely different field from language."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_mathematics
Cooking is an Art, therefore Van Gogh was a great chef.
What is a language?
Here are some definitions of language:
These definitions describe language in terms of the following components:
Each of these components is also found in the language of mathematics.