The Bxf7 checkmate: why you should play Ng5(and the Fried Liver)
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Dec 30, 2018
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3...Nc6 shouldn’t have a question mark. It is totally playable. Your first example is pretty silly. When you get better, you can‘t rely on your opponent falling for mate in 1
Whats wrong with playing ng5?? Especially in faster time controls, it's an accurate move.
Dec 31, 2018
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#4
While I agree that better players play better moves and you should NOT hurt your own development hoping for an opening trap, the Fried Liver Attack isn't something that's tough only for weak players. A good review of it is here: https://www.chess.com/article/view/fried-liver-attack-chess-opening
There are enough people worried about the Fried Liver attack that when I play the Italian Game as White - not intending the Fried Liver - Black usually plays ...h6, the "anti-Fried Liver" variation. Analyzing it with Stockfish indicates ...h6 is a poor move, probably because it doesn't do much against the standard Italian variations and it loses a development tempo.
In fact, chess.com's opening explorer says I, playing White, reached the position 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bf4 three times and all three times Black played 3...h6 and I won all three games.
@mickinmd I never understood why h6 is a bad move there. Besides for stopping any tricks, it also has long term goals in creating a nice flight square for the castled king. Nevertheless, because I know the computers don't like iti in that position as black after bc4 I play bc5 and my king is ready to castle so in that case ng5 is a bad move that just loses tempo.
Dec 31, 2018
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#6
Just so we are on the same page, the fried liver is the position after the following moves:
1.e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxf7
Playing Ng5 and Nxf7 in some random position, is not the fried liver.
1.e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5 d5 exd5 Nxd5 Nxf7
Playing Ng5 and Nxf7 in some random position, is not the fried liver.
Is there any other opening named after a food?
aw184 wrote:
So let's start with a simple line: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. Ng5 a6?????
Do you see why a6 has lots of question marks behind it?
There is mate in one: Bxf7#.
And here is the fried liver.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4! Nc6? 4. Ng5! a6? 5. Nxf7! successfully forking queen and rook.
So essentially you have a variety of traps in the opening.
by aw184
ok that is dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes I have
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4.Ng5
and guess what?
4...Bc5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 15, 2019
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#14
1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke8 8.Bxd5 Qf6
Most of the players saying how good the Fried Liver is, ironically, would struggle to win as white in the position above^ (where white just wins a pawn). Very deceptive position - black actually can get some dangerous counterplay.
5...Nxd5 isn’t the main line. Na5 is well known to anyone playing 3...Nf6
What if you DON'T play d5?
What if you play Bc5?
So let's start with a simple line: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. Ng5 a6?????
Do you see why a6 has lots of question marks behind it?
There is mate in one: Bxf7#.
And here is the fried liver.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4! Nc6? 4. Ng5! a6? 5. Nxf7! successfully forking queen and rook.
So essentially you have a variety of traps in the opening.
by aw184