The curious case of 1200: The Expert's rating

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neveraskmeforadraw

OP is a textbook chess.com troll.

rishabh11great
Marie-AnneLiz wrote:
rishabh11great a écrit :

And yes those ratings which I said in that post are CHESSCOM ratings

1599 a novice?

novice=a person new to or inexperienced in a field

novice = Under 1200.

some use the term advanced beginner or experienced beginner for 1200-1400

To get to 1400 average here at chess.com it usually take a good 800 to 1000 games if you started under 800 for real,and it take close to one year,so it's not trivial.

and most never reach it because at 1400 here you are already in the top 10%;look at the percentile...it's 82% for a 1300 here. 

u-1200 is just a beginner comeon dude

aightden

I started playing February 28th 2020 and I had basic knowledge of the game. Within 3 months I broke 1000 and in November I reached 1200 and I definitely don't feel like an expert. I've read though at 1500 you're considered a respectable chess player. My goal is to reach 1500 within my first year of play. 

VladimirHerceg91
Epiloque wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A quick update. I’m at 1300 in rapid. Over half way to becoming GM! 

lol that is not how that works. More like 1/79 of the way. I am like 1/78th of the way. Chess ratings become exponentially harder to pass each hundred, so it does not work like 1300 is half of a gm, as a 1300 could not beat a gm half the time.

This is a common misconception.  Chess rating actually become exponentially easier after reaching 1200.  I think Magnus Carlsen reached 1200 at around age 12 and then next year he was GM.

”To reach 1200 one must be prepared to spend countless hours confined to a chess book and a board. One must learn to sacrifice friendship and all things resembling pleasure.  However, beyond this, Chess becomes simple, the pieces begin to move themselves and one is freed from the strains of self-isolation and propelled to mastering the game” - Unknown 

 

rishabh11great
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Epiloque wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A quick update. I’m at 1300 in rapid. Over half way to becoming GM! 

lol that is not how that works. More like 1/79 of the way. I am like 1/78th of the way. Chess ratings become exponentially harder to pass each hundred, so it does not work like 1300 is half of a gm, as a 1300 could not beat a gm half the time.

This is a common misconception.  Chess rating actually become exponentially easier after reaching 1200.  I think Magnus Carlsen reached 1200 at around age 12 and then next year he was GM.

”To reach 1200 one must be prepared to spend countless hours confined to a chess book and a board. One must learn to sacrifice friendship and all things resembling pleasure.  However, beyond this, Chess becomes simple, the pieces begin to move themselves and one is freed from the strains of self-isolation and propelled to mastering the game” - Unknown 

 

Why are people too dumb nowadays, ok let me tell you one honest thing, a person who says a 1200 a expert is a noob, a 1200 just sees a hanging piece and wins no logic. Reaching 1200 requires as much hardworking as u need to pass 8th grade. A 1200 person on chesscom is not even capable of getting a FIDE rating at that point, a person just needs a year (without training) and 6 months with training to reach 1200 and you are saying as if you became a GM, you started playing chess 3 years ago (even before me) still you are 1200 and I am 1700 for 1 reason, I love Chess and I dedicate a lot of time. It’s good that you crossed 1200 but if you boast in a way that it’s too hard to reach there then you are wrong and you don’t have knowledge about chess world. Also sorry if I am rude but I want to make people understand.

rishabh11great
Tonya_Harding wrote:

1200 OTB, is a rating where nobody is supposed to stay for long. Or you'll improve, or you'll give up Chess competition.

It is true what has been said by several other posters: 1200 is a beginner's rating, and only exclusively online Chess players can believe anything else.

Here a graph I've find online, that shows, roughly, the distribution of players in every range of Elo rating:

 

So, most players will be rated in the range 1400-1600, which is no surprise. Above 1600, it takes more serious studies and on board analysis to improve, speaking for normal people, no over skilled/talented ones. Endgames studies, Middlegame studies, etc. A job only few people are actually willing or able to perform on a regular basis, regardless of their "intelligence". The working capacity and self discipline here, does prevail over all other factors.

If you made it to 1200, it only means you learned to check on material, like if your move is not blundering a piece, and if your opponet's move is not blundering a piece. or a pawn. Or a checkmate.

True Chess is sports, and there is no true sports without sports efforts, letting aside the few of us who have it all easy due to photographic memory or other such mind feature.

Please mention that what do u mean by OTB rating, FIDE or USCF? Reaching 1200 FIDE requires a lot of effort but less than what the OP said. The problem is he thinks that a 1200 chesscom rating is a big achievement. Reaching 1600FIDE requires the effort the OP said.

kartikeya_tiwari
rishabh11great wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
Epiloque wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

A quick update. I’m at 1300 in rapid. Over half way to becoming GM! 

lol that is not how that works. More like 1/79 of the way. I am like 1/78th of the way. Chess ratings become exponentially harder to pass each hundred, so it does not work like 1300 is half of a gm, as a 1300 could not beat a gm half the time.

This is a common misconception.  Chess rating actually become exponentially easier after reaching 1200.  I think Magnus Carlsen reached 1200 at around age 12 and then next year he was GM.

”To reach 1200 one must be prepared to spend countless hours confined to a chess book and a board. One must learn to sacrifice friendship and all things resembling pleasure.  However, beyond this, Chess becomes simple, the pieces begin to move themselves and one is freed from the strains of self-isolation and propelled to mastering the game” - Unknown 

 

Why are people too dumb nowadays, ok let me tell you one honest thing, a person who says a 1200 a expert is a noob, a 1200 just sees a hanging piece and wins no logic. Reaching 1200 requires as much hardworking as u need to pass 8th grade. A 1200 person on chesscom is not even capable of getting a FIDE rating at that point, a person just needs a year (without training) and 6 months with training to reach 1200 and you are saying as if you became a GM, you started playing chess 3 years ago (even before me) still you are 1200 and I am 1700 for 1 reason, I love Chess and I dedicate a lot of time. It’s good that you crossed 1200 but if you boast in a way that it’s too hard to reach there then you are wrong and you don’t have knowledge about chess world. Also sorry if I am rude but I want to make people understand.

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nTzT

I've never seen a post more... wrong. I hope no one takes this seriously...

nTzT

Oh... this is an old thread. Why bump it? Anyways... 1200 is above average on this website and around 70-80th percentile but hardly expert, quite far from it.

I am just going to assume this was/is satire anyways.

octagnagon

when i started my chess.com account it started me on 800 not 1200 and I won 3 games in a row and got 1178 rating which is about the level I can comfortably beat a computer bot at, i wouldn't say 1200 rating is a chess expert more 1800+ but its a damn good start if you reach 1200 you can probably beat the casual player 

kon7or

i just started chess from 4 games played i won half my games against 1200 i think its most basic rank there is, it pretty much screams that, im 1200 and i know few  chess rules .. thats about it.

Daat

Expert, depends on the person you ask, everybody are seemingly experts today. I would say 2150-2300 Fide+ at least to be called a chess expert.  1800-2000 are not experts imo, more like (strong )hobby chessplayers(unless they are talented kids). They can only see the tip of the iceberg and lack the deep understandig of higher rated players. To most GMs a 1500-1600 Fide would be not much more than  a beginner. Most probably went from 1500 to 1800+ in less than a year when they were young, and don't remember how hard it was to learn chess when they were 7   wink.png. to have 2200+ chess probably has to be not just a hobby , but  a passion.

rishabh11great
Daat wrote:

Expert, depends on the person you ask, everybody are seemingly experts today. I would say 2150-2300 Fide+ at least to be called a chess expert.  1800-2000 are not experts imo, more like (strong )hobby chessplayers(unless they are talented kids). They can only see the tip of the iceberg and lack the deep understandig of higher rated players. To most GMs a 1500-1600 Fide would be not much more than  a beginner. Most probably went from 1500 to 1800+ in less than a year when they were young, and don't remember how hard it was to learn chess when they were 7   . to have 2200+ chess probably has to be not just a hobby , but  a passion.

1800-2000 FIDE are just hobby players?!

But don’t you think a player of 2000 FIDE strength is a expert? Like 2200s are masters they generally even get titles!

rishabh11great

I mean you are a GM so you know much better but... like reaching a strength of 1800 FIDE still requires 4-5 years of dedication to chess... so I don’t think they should be called hobby players..

twotimes2
I think their main point was the 1st sentence
Daat

like I Said depends on who you are asking. If you ask a GM, 2000 players are fairly weak, to call them experts would be strange. let's say you have a professor in math =GM. And a fairly good ( at math) highschool student =2000. the High school student is no experts, perhaps he is to middle schoolers = 1500 etc. To the professor the 2000 is not a beginner, but so far away from the skill and knowledge level of a professor that he would never consider the 2000 an expert. Might be different for other GMs, but yeah, there you go.

PunchboxNET

You can now start at 2200

nTzT
Daat wrote:

like I Said depends on who you are asking. If you ask a GM, 2000 players are fairly weak, to call them experts would be strange. let's say you have a professor in math =GM. And a fairly good ( at math) highschool student =2000. the High school student is no experts, perhaps he is to middle schoolers = 1500 etc. To the professor the 2000 is not a beginner, but so far away from the skill and knowledge level of a professor that he would never consider the 2000 an expert. Might be different for other GMs, but yeah, there you go.

You are just jealous of the 1200 rated experts, even if someone like you tries to lose a game you will still destroy people at that rating... don't be jealous tongue.png

Daat

Yeah, but today everybody can questions masters with the help of engines. SF and leela are the gre

Daat

atest authorities on the game.