The end of Kasparov is near

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netzach

Well an accurate link would be good..

chesspooljuly13

I'm sure you (or anyone) could find it via a simple Google search. I'm not interested enough in the topic to go hunting for it

netzach

So just your own opinion/hearsay then ?

chesspooljuly13

No, it was in an article as I said. Either NIC or an article that appeared as a link on a chess website I played on

chesspooljuly13

I didn't interview Carlsen or Kasparov to verify the article's authenticity if that's what you're getting at lol

fabelhaft

I think the subject has been discussed most in Norwegian articles, here's one where it is mentioned that Kasparov already in 2005 said that Carlsen didn't invest enough time and energy on the game. "The apple is almost rotten" is an assessment of Kasparov at the time, who offered his services, but Carlsen wasn't interested.

In 2009 Carlsen was more interested in having some training sessions. At the time Kasparov came up with a "total slaughter" of Carlsen's approach to chess, and stated that he never would become the best player in the world with his attitude to the game. Carlsen says that Kasparov wanted to decide too much, could call an hour before a game and tell him to change opening strategy, and that in all Kasparov created an anxious atmosphere. Carlsen says that he doesn't like conflicts and wants to make his own decisions.

http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10038571

Here it is also said that Kasparov's phone calls just made Carlsen uncomfortable. Kasparov was a strict coach with iron discipline and strong will, and since their personalities were so different the cooperation didn't work all that well in that respect. After a while Carlsen just wanted out, and while this made Kasparov very angry it was also important to him that the break was made public, since he wanted it to be known that he couldn't in some way be held responsible for Carlsen's future results.

http://www.nettavisen.no/sjakk/article3231422.ece

chesspooljuly13

Interesting; thanks fabelhaft. I'm pretty sure (if memory serves) that Kasparov briefly worked with Nakamura after that, which created a stir since Carlsen and Nakamura are, to some degree, competitors

chesspooljuly13

I must have read an article on Kasparov coaching/training Carlsen from a link on another chess site. There's a lot of sources for their collaboration on Google but most look to be chess websites and blogs. Didn't see any attributed to NIC, but I only looked at the first two pages. The Kasparov/Nakamura collaboration is also referenced

netzach

:) That's right Naka thought Kasparov was weak-player except for openings !

http://www.chess.com/news/nakamura-splits-with-kasparov-4500

chesspooljuly13

That's funny; I wonder what Kasparov thought of Nakamura's 2) Qh5. Thanks for link

fabelhaft

Even after their cooperation ended Kasparov has been referring to Carlsen now and then on Twitter. Almost all of his tweets are on political matters, but sometimes he mentions chess and then it's often about Carlsen, a few examples from this year:

After 38.Nf4 it looks like Carlsen will make Gashimov suffer. Magnus's style!

Magnus playing a great game against Aronian. Must be winning.

Studying the classics has value! Look at the structure of Kan-Capablanca, Moscow 1935; compare to Radjabov-Carlsen today at Tal Memorial.

http://twitter.com/Kasparov63

varelse1

Kasparov doing whatever he can to stay in the limelight he once owned. anything except play chess, that is.

Other former World Champions, Tal, Smyslov, Spassky, to name a few, continued to play chess long after they were unseated. Remaining realistic threats to regain their titles. Even producing some of their most memorable games in their golden years.

Being ranked #4 or #7 in the world didn't bother these gentlemen. What is Kasparov so embarassed about?

ClavierCavalier

I thought Kasparov continued to play after he was dethroned and retired a while later.

mrguy888
ClavierCavalier wrote:

I thought Kasparov continued to play after he was dethroned and retired a while later.

He lost the world championship in 2000 but still dominated in ratings and tournament performances I believe.

Here_Is_Plenty

I understand the criticism of Kasparov for not continuing to play chess.  I don't feel I can agree with it as I cannot begin to understand what makes someone like that tick.  I will never be talented at anything the way that man was at chess.  The very forces that drive someone to excel to that extent are beyond the comprehension of most of us.  Maybe some people can only accept the game when they can be the very best at it.  I doubt even a "normal" GM could comprehend his drive.  OTB I am 1774 - I would consider it a lifetime achievement to be within 1000 points of his top rating; I am a world away from his level.  Yes, I accept that other world champions continued to play; no, I am not belittling their achievements.  Everyone is different.  For Fischer and Kasparov it might be simply unthinkable to continue.

chesspooljuly13

Could be they couldn't stand losing; that was a theory of why Fischer stopped. After he became world champion, the pressure to maintain the incredible level he set in 1972 led to paralysis

zborg

Kasparov got interested in politics.  A grimy business in his country.

And if he wanted to retire after being on top for so long, what of it?

He still has the limelight, and consider how much extra time he has on his hands (now) to do other things, like teach Carlsen, and write tomes on chess history.

fabelhaft

Kasparov had already done more than enough, he won his first international top tournament in Banja Luka 1979 and won his last in Linares 2005. That is more than 25 years in top events (and more than 20 years of them as #1). Guys like Fischer and Karpov were never interested in coaching younger players or commenting on current top events, and in that respect it's nice that Kasparov cares about chess. That his comments can be very critical and sometimes also a bit self-serving is another matter.

Stevie65

Was this a prediction?..Spooookyy....

NimzoRoy
varelse1 wrote:

Kasparov doing whatever he can to stay in the limelight he once owned. anything except play chess, that is.

Other former World Champions, Tal, Smyslov, Spassky, to name a few, continued to play chess long after they were unseated. Remaining realistic threats to regain their titles. Even producing some of their most memorable games in their golden years.

Being ranked #4 or #7 in the world didn't bother these gentlemen. What is Kasparov so embarassed about?

He isn't embarassed about anything IMHO - did it ever occur to you that some people might eventually decide there are other things to do with their lives, such as fight for freedom in their homeland?