https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/115312145885?tab=review&move=149
The evidence that 'probably' drove Short to think he was playing Bobby online in 2001
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Jul 21, 2024
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Jul 21, 2024
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Sorry about that, but I was not trying to fact check you. perhaps cap is not quite so worthy of me joshing him after all.
mercatorproject wrote:
He won but the positional skills were absolutely horrendous he didn't actually play above his rating that game
mercatorproject wrote:
Sorry about that, but I was not trying to fact check you. perhaps cap is not quite so worthy of me joshing him after all.
I was tilting he doesn't really deserve respect anyway probably souldv played the grob
I wouldn't listen to my games with him if I were you im one of those people that go too easy on beginners and intermediates and suck against them
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
mercatorproject wrote:
Sorry about that, but I was not trying to fact check you. perhaps cap is not quite so worthy of me joshing him after all.
I was tilting he doesn't really deserve respect anyway probably souldv played the grob
I wouldn't listen to my games with him if I were you in one of those people that go too easy on beginners and intermediates and suck against them
the transposition to the queens gambit is my worse opening setup as white, why i play 1c4 not 1d4
i want to play you as black but youll probably keep me off my theory again
cap78red wrote:
i want to play you as black but youll probably keep me off my theory again
If you play like a 1600 with prep that's bad
Jul 21, 2024
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I will leave you two to continue your rivalry. Meanwhile, I remain a fan of both Nigel and Bobby.
Jul 21, 2024
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#30
These elements, combined with the mystique surrounding Fischer and his elusive nature, might have convinced Short that he was facing the legendary player.
Kygo_Garrix_Script wrote:
cap78red wrote:
i want to play you as black but youll probably keep me off my theory again
Aight. So You have literally no photo-evidence of that thing or game? Nothing..
Why are you creating this theory? Who wants to even know it...
i have a copy of the games played i will post it here
Jul 21, 2024
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#32
To be fair to the OP it is not entirely out of the question that Short could have played some patzer cheating with an engine and mistaken that for a superlative legitimate player.
https://share.chessbase.com/SharedGames/game/?p=+Igmgyd/QoPp6SaD/esHNUbgxaBugzK1EWdub60TaVk22kkiWYZgHAK0AEPyq+Ui
these are the games of guest2563(me) vs ural(Ngel Short)
Jul 21, 2024
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Elroch wrote:
To be fair to the OP it is not entirely out of the question that Short could have played some patzer cheating with an engine and mistaken that for a superlative legitimate player.
That is an interesting idea. But, I have been led to believe that the ability to detect Cheating accurately is strongly related to Chess ability (provided that the player concerned is relatively free of bias).
Your thoughts, sir!
hello need help
i was testing out the openings to play rubbish to see if he was letting me win
Jul 21, 2024
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mercatorproject wrote:
Elroch wrote:
To be fair to the OP it is not entirely out of the question that Short could have played some patzer cheating with an engine and mistaken that for a superlative legitimate player.
That is an interesting idea. But, I have been led to believe that the ability to detect Cheating accurately is strongly related to Chess ability (provided that the player concerned is relatively free of bias).
Your thoughts, sir!
Some top players are indeed very good at spotting engine-like play (I would not claim I was an example, but even I have spotted several suspected cheats at daily chess, reported them and mostly seen them banned) but it's worth remembering this story is from a different era.
Elroch wrote:
To be fair to the OP it is not entirely out of the question that Short could have played some patzer cheating with an engine and mistaken that for a superlative legitimate player.
Back in 2001, the strongest engine was probably Fritz 7, which performed at ~ 2600-2650 ELO at blitz when run from $10.000+ hardware of that era.
Elroch wrote:
mercatorproject wrote:
Elroch wrote:
To be fair to the OP it is not entirely out of the question that Short could have played some patzer cheating with an engine and mistaken that for a superlative legitimate player.
That is an interesting idea. But, I have been led to believe that the ability to detect Cheating accurately is strongly related to Chess ability (provided that the player concerned is relatively free of bias).
Your thoughts, sir!
Some top players are indeed very good at spotting engine-like play (I would not claim I was an example, but even I have spotted several suspected cheats at daily chess, reported them and mostly seen them banned) but it's worth remembering this story is from a different era.
I'm not a top player, but it's quite obvious (to me) that the games from that match were engine-assisted.
The mysterious guest played the first few moves of each game on his own, then used engine-assistance for the remainder of the game.
It's nothing spectacular - just typical engine cheating (or "progging" as some players called it, back then).
At the time, there were already several engines available with which one could cheat. The Chessmaster game's "The King" engine, for example, which was certainly strong enough to swindle Grandmasters in blitz ... Also available at the time were Shredder, Fritz, Crafty ...
Take no notice of them, cap78, they are just jealous!
I played him he plays like a 1600 100%