The Hans cheating/sore loser scandal will kill Chess as a game!

These grandmasters are like children man and this childish behaviour will absolutely kill this game! It’s the biggest demotivating and most uninspiring factor that will completely destroy the game....why? Because no one likes to play against cheaters and sore losers. 

This is why Magnus Carlsen is a disgrace to chess. Bobby Fischer was a lunatic but he never stooped this low when it came to chess. His lunacy was completely irrelevant to the game. This generation of chess players sucks! These grandmasters have completely ruined the game. Before you can accuse your opponent of cheating you actually need to provide the evidence otherwise it’s childish. Not one iota of evidence has been brought forward to charge Hans  Neimann of cheating. So who the f*** wants to play chess with these children when they stomp their feet and whinge about their opponents because they lost the game? Playing against a sore loser who throws out accusations is the worst thing in the world, you may as well just knock over all the pieces and declare victory ! What an absolute sh** show! If Hans was cheating then let the evidence speak for itself! Otherwise what are these people doing? 

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Fischer also withdrew from the Sousse Interzonal while leading because of some dispute.

I agree that it is bad for chess.
What organiser will want to invite Carlsen who is susceptible to withdraw after he loses?
What organiser will want to invite Niemann who is allegated to have cheated?
What sponsors want to associate their names?

I’m not that big of fan of Bobby Fischer, everytime he forfeited he gave a reason! With the Sousse international he complained about the lighting and cameras etc. When he accused the Russians of collusion for intentionally making their games a tie, he actually had the evidence to back up his claim and Korchnoi & Spassky admitted Fischer was correct. Also Bobby Fischer is an absolute lunatic! He also forfeited his games which means his ELO score was affected and he lost the world title. 

Magnus Carlsen withdrew and I’m not sure if that counts as forfeiting the games he had but it sure as hell should. To withdraw from the tournament you should need a legit reason otherwise the games he had lined up should be counted as forfeiting and a loss and it should affect his elo score and his world title. If that doesn’t happen then as far as I’m concerned he’s a way worse chess player than Bobby Fischer and there should be no respect for him whatsoever as a player! As much of a arrogant lunatic Bobby Fischer was, at least he gave up his world title from forfeiting. The same should be applied to Carlsen! That was so weak! 

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"With the Sousse interzonal he complained about the lighting and cameras etc."
++In the 1967 Sousse Interzonal Fischer played and then withdrew while leading. 
If the lighting was bad, then why did he play 10 games (7 wins, 3 draws) with bad lighting, apparently not affecting his play as he was leading?

In the Lugano 1968 Olympiad Fischer arrived, complained about lighting, pieces, boards, chairs and when the organisers did not meet his demands, he flew back home without play and without pay. I respect that.

After the Curaçao 1962 Candidates' Tournament Fischer accused the Soviet players of collusion and he vowed never to play a Candidates' tournament again and he kept his word. He only played Candidates 1971 after FIDE changed the tournament to matches. I respect that.

"Bobby Fischer is an absolute lunatic!"
++ He was never diagnosed with mental illness. His political opinions were controversial.

"He also forfeited his games" ++ Fischer forfeited game 2 of the 1972 World Championship match and threatened to withdraw, but he was persuaded to continue playing and he won the World Championship title with 12.5 - 8.5 despite starting 0 - 2 (a loss and a forfeit).

Fischer declined to defend his title against Karpov in 1975 as his demands were not met.

"Magnus Carlsen withdrew and I’m not sure if that counts as forfeiting the games"
++ The games count for elo rating, but are considered not played for the tournament results.

"To withdraw from the tournament you should need a legit reason"
++ Fully agreed. Like Tal withdrew from the Curaçao 1962 Candidates' for kidney surgery.

"the games he had lined up should be counted as forfeiting and a loss" ++ Yes, that happens.

"it should affect his elo score" ++ No, only draw / win / loss of played games affect that.

"and his world title" ++ Carlsen already has given up his world title by not defending it.

That infamous tweet of Carlsen was very bad sportsmanship - adding to his disrespectful announcement about refusing to defend the World Championship title. All this will severely tarnish his reputation!

But chess as a game will certainly survive - there were many scandals in the past. One of them was the Karpov - Korchnoi World Championship Match in Baguio City.

I’m all for accusing Hans as being a cheater but I don’t want to look like a f***ing moron when people ask me how. They get scanned head to toe before they play the game...so what was it? Someone in the audience coughing? I’ve heard foot technology? But I still have no idea what the f*** I’m talking about. It sounds like some wizardry sh** but in actuality it sounds stupid. 

this is basically the argument. Hans cheated! But how? Then Carlsen runs away...ok then, how can you argue with that?

People who want to draw bold conclusions from isolated events should be treated with scepticism. Like when Mayweather - De La Hoya was billed as "the fight to save boxing" when it didn't need "saving" and the fight turned out to be a typically underwhelming Mayweather affair. Chess will not be "killed" as a result of this (still nebulous) event.

I don't think it is entirely impossible it could kill chess, or certain badly injure it.

I actually stopped watching tennis because Djokovic is clearly the best at that sport, and yet is a total lunatic full of more weird views and ideas than the AGM of the flat earth society - and my thought is I can't be interested in the sport when such a educationally subnormal oddball is the greatest.

And here we have Magnus Carlsen, having an opinion but being too much of a coward to say it openly, and then expressing that idea by means of posting a video of football manager (incidentally famous for his mental instability), just as you might expect from a 12 year old boy who got a detention at school he disagreed with.

I know in general Chess players are not known for their high social functioning, but if Magnus Carlsen is the best, and he is a childish coward who takes losing about as well as a 3 year girl would take the wrong type of cake at her birthday party, why would anyone want to follow chess?

The next time he loses to Pragg, I'm going to be feeling sorry for him, and thinking that Pragg is picking on the little child - was Magnus not able to concentrate, did they not give him enough gummy bears with his breakfast?

i mean he kinda said he prepped from a game that didn't exist

not enough to say he cheats, but.....

also didn't he never accuse hans of cheating?

wasn't hikaru the one who started the rumors?

Calm down. In 6 months everyone will have piled onto the next bandwagon

Nope.

where did magnus say hans was cheating?

By tweeting the "If I speak, I am in big trouble" video and then saying no more, which makes him both an idiot and a coward, even if he turned out to be right.

And if that wasn't what he wanted to imply, he would have spoken up after all the speculations.

Nah there have been far far worse scandals before. 

Sorry I should have clarified, this will kill the game as a spectating sport. Chess is actually good fun to watch but for someone like me who’s only just started watching it as a sport...it’s kind of killed the game for me. 
I enjoy it when players are passionate about the game...and I don’t mind if they completely lose their sh** after losing a match...I don’t even mind the trash talk...but when someone like Magnus completely withdraws after losing a match in a such a dubious manner then aggghh what a waste of time! 

it’s one of the only sports that relies on purely mental intuition and it’s engaging but then when grandmasters start doing this sort of nonesense and are like “I’m not going to play anymore because I think it’s unfair”...it’s like why I’m I watching this? 

What do you mean? Poki saved chess. Along with the big Hiki.

Given that Carlsen hasn't said why he withdrew, what nonsense are you talking about?

Why not wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks before jumping to conclusions? I also recommend you read up about the Topalov-Kramnik match and you will learn that this is nothing new.